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so last week Chris we were talking about

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possible time cups with Nick Redfern

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about the am I being being an agency in

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the future that returns through time and

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this is a TV show by the way and a movie

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they go back through time to fix damage

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to the timestream straighten things out

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except you can fix the damage in terms

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of people and objects but not memories

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you can't change the memories so you

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remember something to happen to you and

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nobody else has any evidence of it like

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of course mentioning and last week's

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show this picture of the Thunderbird

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that can't be found and I have a

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specific instance here where my late

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father's will is being read by my

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brother who was quite a wealthy man

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still are with us but he was quite

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wealthy in his latter years and he says

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that when my father died he was gonna

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put a sum of money away for my son not a

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lot of money a small amount of money

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that would be in a zero-coupon bond now

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I could supposedly and some listeners

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will go along with me here say well

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maybe one of the other relatives decided

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to steal that money it wasn't enough

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we're talking about a small sum of money

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here for my son's education several

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years later when it came to the time for

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this instrument to mature nobody

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remembered this meeting there's no

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record of it there's nothing in the

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nobody could find the indicates that my

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father left this sum for my son and my

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son's education this is a good example

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of your theory here but of course the

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sarcastic theory is that my nephews or

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my brother's widow when he died decided

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to take that money it wasn't enough for

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anyone to care about except it would

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provide a little bit of help for my son

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that's it well again I'm not sure if

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this is you know the best exam

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I think the Thunderbird photograph

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example is what I'm saying is is maybe

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something in the timestream is changed

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but it affects auxilary events even if

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they're not totally related I mean

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consider damages the stream of time okay

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you'd perform some kind of action now

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the time cops have come back the men MIB

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the time cops whatever they are go back

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in time they reverse the action but can

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they possibly reverse the consequences

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of the action people's memories that may

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be involving totally unrelated events

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it's very complicated

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it is very complicated and of course we

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have to suspend our disbelief and in

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terms of you know really going with this

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hypothesis first of all you need to have

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some sort of time travel technology

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which of course we know is is not you

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know a scientifically accepted you know

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possibility at this point it might be a

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possibility but it's it's highly remote

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of course there are some some people in

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the more conspiracy conspiratorial

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realms that think that the u.s.

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government has stargates and and time

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machines and and they're working side by

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side with aliens and secret underground

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bases but I mean this all sounds great

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in a kind of a science fiction sort of

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context or motif but when when it really

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push comes to shove we don't we have

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zero evidence to support this type of

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scenario and we actually have a lot of

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evidence that refutes it in terms of the

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actual physics that would that would

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need to be you know utilized to make

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these types of things a reality so you

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know we don't know what the level of our

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government's technology is or other

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government's technology we don't know

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what capabilities humans have in regards

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to accessing wormholes folding space and

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and time traveling that sort of thing so

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I think at all you know is very

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intriguing but for for the majority of

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our listeners I think it's it's a it's a

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bit of a tough so

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also we have to be aware of the fact

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that we're talking about science in the

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early part of the 21st century what's

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gonna happen a couple of hundred years

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from now what will they know and then if

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we want to be cynical about it okay my

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nephew's or my late brother's widow

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decided that my son didn't need that few

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thousand dollars for his education and

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so they borrowed it well I mean if it

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was set up in a trust or some sort of

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you know entity of a financial

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instrument then they they must be very

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creative to be able to have access to it

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my brother

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Wallace Herbert Steinberg if you want to

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look him up on Google he might still be

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there he was an investment banker

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specializing in the health care industry

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and his two oldest sons worked for him

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meaning of course that they understood

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financial instruments and manipulation

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of money okay so let's just let that

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drop okay okay that would be my that

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would be the the logical sort of Occam's

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razor I think answer or maybe I didn't

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remember it right but my wife was there

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with me she remembered it too what can I

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say I can't talk about my son because

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when my father died my son was 2 years

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of age so he has no remembrance of it he

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was probably there but I don't think he

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would have anything to report you know

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one of the most interesting threads in

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our forms for the past few weeks since

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we had Joshua Shapiro to talk about the

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Crystal Skull that thread about that

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show has gone on and on even as we've

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mentioned it each and every week but the

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biggest thing about it of course is if

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we're going to seriously look at crystal

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skull or is that particular guest the

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person to go to is he the expert with

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the evidence and the only thing that

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bothered me as I've said before on the

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show the thing about me is he expects

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scientists to disprove all this

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mysticism about crystal skulls not for

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the people who believe something is

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happening they're communicating with the

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skulls

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they're getting messages from them

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whatever mystical properties there are

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it's up to them to prove it now since

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that show because there's so much

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interest you and I feel that it's

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necessary to continue to discuss it and

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see where the truth may lie but you went

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out to seek a different sort of guest

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someone who had more evidence to present

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yes are you know today's show is I think

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going to be more of a middle-of-the-road

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approach Steven mailer has been involved

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in researching these very enigmatic

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objects for decades and there has been

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some sniffing on the thread about his

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mentor fr Nick no siree know who was

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widely considered to be the most

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knowledgeable person that we we had to

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go to about crystal skulls in fact I

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that was the first call I made once I

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found out who the top person you know

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who Nick no Serena was considered the

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top person so of course that would be my

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first phone call about the San Luis

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Valley skull that was found which ended

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up being a hoax and a glass skull but

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one of the things that that Steven he

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was involved in a documentary project

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that I helped co-produce and I was very

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taken with his depth of knowledge he has

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you know I think he's a much more

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objective person when it comes to

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viewing this this whole subject and I

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think today's show is is is a good

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follow-up to to Joshua's appearance

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because Joshua comes I think from more

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from a true believer standpoint whereas

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Steven is I think a lot more

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middle-of-the-road about it so this is

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gonna be a very interesting show and I

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hope it'll it'll help re-educate folks

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about what we know about these very

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enigmatic objects you see that's one of

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the problems when you get into things

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like this where people report unusual

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experiences or just people who say I saw

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a ghost here's would happen you know

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getting the evidence to prove anything

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but anecdotal testimony is difficult

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because you have to decide okay if they

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did have experience of some sort

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does it originate internally did they

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imagine it do they have some kind of

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problem I mean

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last week's show when Nick Redfern was

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talking about Albert K bender

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Albert a bender perhaps his three men in

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black emerged from being contacted by

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the FBI and then confabulating a lot

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more frightened him to death and

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suddenly he comes up with this elaborate

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story of being contacted by ET based men

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in black but maybe there was a core of

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reality but he was so traumatized by it

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that that reality became something far

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more than the original experience and we

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have to wonder about some paranormal

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events and that's the big problem how do

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we get to the core of the event how do

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we find out if there is a core reality

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if it's an external reality the quest

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goes on Steve and mail are coming on the

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welcome Steven mailer it's really good

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to have you aboard

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for your first appearance here at the

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pair of cast and I'm looking forward to

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it was good seeing you back in December

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- we'll get into why you were here

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there's a new quite an impressive skull

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that has surfaced in a collection and it

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was in March okay right well we'll cover

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that a little bit later but first of all

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why don't you give our listeners some

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background on you how you got involved

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in in crystal skulls and how your you're

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thinking about them has evolved over the

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years give us a little kind of a

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thumbnail sketch of your of your history

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in this subject sure my actual

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background approach to it is being that

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I am a credentialed archaeologist I have

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a couple of degrees I've trained in the

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scientists and the sciences but when I

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was a graduate student I really fell in

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love with archaeology my my basic

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interest says you know and listeners

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will find out if they google me is

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ancient

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years actually goes back to what I was

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buddy years old so you know how Horus up

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front and personal yes it goes back to

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like the summer of 1974 I was

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fortunately able to work on an

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archeological excavation in the South of

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France were thwarted world's leading pre

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historians professor Francois board at

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the University of Bordeaux and he taught

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me basic archaeology and field geology

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as well because he was a geologist and

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geology is an important background for

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the work that I do so to come down to

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the point I had a background in

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archeology already I I went to work for

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the Rosicrucian order a Mark a mor C

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which stands for ancient mystical order

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rosie Cruz's I became a staff research

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scientist for the Rosicrucian order did

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lots of work in parapsychology in the

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prat paranormal and it was in my

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competitive capacity as a staff research

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scientist and we were contacted in the

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Rosicrucian order in 1979 by a gentleman

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in San Jose California the Rosicrucian

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order is instead of a that he had an

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object that he was willing for us to

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investigate that he would like for us

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perhaps to even exhibit in the

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Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum etc etc so I

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was shown some photographs

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in November 1979 and that was my first

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experience what became later to be known

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as the Mayan crystal skull we convinced

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this individual to actually brings us go

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in in January of 1980 and we worked on

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it in the Rosicrucian research lab so my

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approach chris has been scientific

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although I move in both fields and

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saying that I work for the Rosicrucians

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so that I have a background in physics

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and metaphysics in science in the

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paranormal and so that's the only way

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really that these subject these objects

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can be approached but I basically start

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my work with the Crystal Skull as an

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archaeologist looking at it as a

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possible ancient artifact and go from

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there

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well we're gonna get into how we tell

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the difference and the problems that we

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have with modern diagnostic science in

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terms of examining these artifacts

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why don't you give us a background on

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some of your early research into the

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subject and and give us a sense of how

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as a scientist

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this whole subject captivated you I said

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now you know it starts January of 1980

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so we're looking at now 31 years which

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is pretty amazing if you think about it

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I was unfortunate in that I was trained

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by the two I would consider giants in

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the field of research first man dr.

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Marcel J Bogle who was a senior chemist

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scientist at IBM also an outstanding

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Rosicrucian and the man will mention

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many times this evening

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fr Nick no siree no listen no siree no

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was the first person to ever get a

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credential teaching degree in California

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in parapsychology he had a background in

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wake up in crystals he was the Dean I

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say of crystals go research so

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fortunately I got to work with two great

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men who taught me a lot and how to

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approach this subject form of a

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scientific and metaphysical approach

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both have passed away it just happened

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to be a matter of default that I'm now

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one of the senior researchers in the

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field so it began the January of 1980

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this crystal skull was brought in I

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examined it as an artifact it

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represented nothing I've ever seen

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before never ever witnessed anything

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carved at a crystal like that and then

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we called in a Marcel Vogel and I

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learned a lot from Marcel book basically

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more so Vogel had said we did a lot of

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research now what we did in the

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Rosicrucian research lab as we did what

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was called psychometry

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now psychometry was basically invented

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in the modern era by Professor JB Rhine

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at Duke University he's considered to be

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the father of modern parapsychology he

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began these tests with what we're doing

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with a Crystal Skull because these items

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have dubious what we call property which

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means their actual history from whether

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they were excavated from it from a tomb

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or where they were found

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there's very little documented evidence

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because these items that were going to

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detail by what we call ancient crystal

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skull that may have come out of mine

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tombs and other tombs are coming from

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unofficial excavation that are not

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reported so therefore there's not

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documentation so here's where science

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falls short we have what we call an

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archeology provenance

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what does provenance mean it means you

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trace an artifact from when it is

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discovered what it is uncovered in an

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archaeological excavation through what's

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called its Chain of Custody how it moves

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who documents it how it's traveling what

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museum it works goes to or what

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scientists were gonna - it's a chain of

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custody where its movement is tracked

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well we have none of that with these

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crystals go except one which I'll talk

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about later

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nikto sureños oh let's go we have

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Providence on them but still it's not

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official so there's no documentation so

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therefore we can't go to official

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historical records and find out when

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these things were excavated what are

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gallops may have thought on them Terry

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Oh Terry we have to go with what we call

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as an unknown therefore we do not know

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the history of this object the only way

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that we can work on this it's no

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metaphysical work through what we call

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psychometry well someone who claims to

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have a degree of sensitivity now when I

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worked for the Rosicrucian order we

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never use the word psyche we love that

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term why look uh psychic implies oh this

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person is psychic and this one is not so

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someone who's psychic has a special gift

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no we prefer to use the word sensitive a

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word we all can relate to we're all

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sensitive the people who claim to be

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professional at it or really gifted at

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it have utilized these talents all their

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lives have enforced them reinforced them

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so therefore they have these extra

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sensory ability which we call highly

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sensitive but we don't differentiate

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between everyone else we all have this

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sensitivity so we had actually people

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who are registered with the Rosicrucian

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order what having proven scientific

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documentation of a degree of sensitivity

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we brought them in we did psychometry

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with this skull we had no one present at

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any of the ELSA session so there was no

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pollution these sessions were recorded

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video recorded audio recorded there were

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also a questionnaire was filled out by

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every person afterward what we would

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then do is compare the results of these

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tests to see if what we could call us

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statistically significant events what

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does that mean well anything is usually

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about 50% maybe about 60% or 70% well

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okay accuracy rate cannot be attributed

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to mere chance so there's some degree of

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scientific relevance there so if someone

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for example what we worked with the

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first called the Mayan crystal skull and

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it was named so by Nick no sir II know

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who actually was the one who arranged

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for this skull to be brought into the

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state that goes more detail about that

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here's a lot of his students working

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with the skull so a Mayan theme to the

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scene of the Maya Mayan temples Mayan

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tombs so therefore he called it the

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Mayan crystal skull are these sensitive

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stevedores is this just average people

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but there was no necessary to work with

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highly-trained sensitive that he trained

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himself okay he was a master of masters

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Nick no Serena was called a teacher of

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teachers because a lot of Nick know

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Serena students went on become crystal

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students themselves like Dale Walker one

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of those torito's helps to load a book

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himself called the crystal book which I

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we have to pursue this in our next

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segment

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Steven mailer joins us I'm gene

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Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the co-host

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[Music]

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Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

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out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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studying the crystal skulls from a far

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more scientific standpoint than

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previously Chris O'Brien's the co-host

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Stephen just a quick question before we

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get into the nuts and bolts here and

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that is there are people who listen to

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the podcast who will accept and

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understand what you say but other people

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are going to wonder about these

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sensitives and how we go about

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validating what they do what's the

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process at full question and let's just

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let's just discuss the subject again

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maybe for those who say that they're

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totally a good but we're talking about

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crystal skull we're talking about an

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object made out of rock quartz crystal

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and many different types of escena

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amethyst citrine smoky quartz but

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predominantly rock quartz quartz crystal

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either smoky or clear that are carved

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into a skull by who

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modern peoples and ancient peoples that

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we'll discuss the differences that it

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has to do with the understanding of

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quartz crystal itself a whole discussion

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could go on tonight with the properties

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of quartz

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why did they use force we'll discuss

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that but to the end to this general

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question so what we would do then is

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have people hold the skull work with

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this go that is different way there's

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actually a physical way which is called

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scrying which is an ancient term you

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can't even find it in a dictionary

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anymore when it's called as crystal gate

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this is something that's been gone on

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for centuries and centuries again in the

666
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so called metaphysical paranormal I

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think you're going to subs to have what

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I'm saying the person who is a judge to

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be a sensitive okay so he's someone

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who's getting far more than 50% accuracy

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in demonstrating some kind of psychic

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ability right okay here's the problem

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the problem is of course that we have

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people who understand this we have

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people who will say okay if they're so

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sensitive contact the amazing Randi and

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get his million dollars if you know what

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I mean but you're right million testing

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people who could win the money so it

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hasn't been exactly not a thing but

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let's say that okay say did you come to

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me and you say you're highly sensitive

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how am I going to know that

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well we'll test you how we test you in

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the laboratory is with unknown with it

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we know the history of we shouldn't give

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you the object you hold the object we

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try to tune with the object how a person

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does psychometry let's try to clear

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their mind relax their thoughts and get

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impressions from vibrations from the

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object now this may sound too far out

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for people but let's hook it to a

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scientific basis then the person will

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say what they get do they see historical

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scene do they get names do they get

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object home personal oldest object we

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write these things down we record them

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we then compare it there's a known

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history how accurate was this person

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anybody that's over 50% it's considered

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to be not statistically can be just by

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chance it's relevant but when someone

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who's classically a gifted sensitive it

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will be 75 to 80 percent Hecker's that's

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recorded you do with another known you

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get this person if there's several

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different objects if they continue that

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level of accent accuracy we consider

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them to be highly degree sensitive that

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someone who would be on call Nick know

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so you know had these people at his a

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group called the Society of crystals

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called international that he had

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personally trained we had people on call

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with the Rosicrucian order who were

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known to be this said that so in other

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word they had been tested with known so

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they had come out with a high degree of

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accuracy they just continued to be

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scientifically statistically better so

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therefore that's how we develop a degree

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of the field of parapsychology that's

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how JB Ryan did it that's what everybody

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has done it since the 30s when this

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started there are people who want to say

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this is not science that's their opinion

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in my opinion it is metaphysical science

729
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is the same as physical okay let's

730
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pursue this a little bit more oh okay so

731
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these people who've been a judge to have

732
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this sensitivity they are given access

733
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to the skulls as they touch them do they

734
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look at them do they meditate what did

735
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they do all the above and we also

736
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include anybody who comes would want to

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come off the street and do that so knows

738
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we're not just including you so called

739
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no accurate sensitive when we did this

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for the Rosicrucian lab we called it a

741
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lot of Rosicrucians now Rosicrucians in

742
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general tend to be more highly sensitive

743
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than the average person I'd have to go

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into the history the metaphysical if the

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Rosicrucian order it's the rituals of

746
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terror terror but just to say that in

747
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general a Mason and a Rosicrucian

748
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:44,279
someone who deals in metaphysics of a

749
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lifestyle would be naturally more open

750
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sensitive than those are not

751
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we would have anybody come in we'd

752
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record these things we'd have to fill

753
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out questionnaires and then see how

754
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,250
relevant they were with each other

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00:31:59,720 --> 00:31:58,320
another word someone was working with

756
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this man Christmas gonna how would they

757
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do it they could touch it yes they could

758
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look at it with your eyes open they

759
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could sit with it not touch it just

760
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meditate they could hold it and meditate

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with it they could meditate without

762
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hoping just to be in the field just our

763
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presence of this go everybody has their

764
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own style and I always like to touch the

765
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object and get the vibration likto

766
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Sereno and muscle vocal that's how they

767
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train people to do that dad she holds

768
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this go touch this go connect with the

769
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:24,900
crystal itself you try to clear your

770
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mind

771
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you tried to desert no music no sound we

772
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work different things with light in

773
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:31,530
color that's also where you activate the

774
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:33,809
skull and sound so different things were

775
00:32:36,649 --> 00:32:35,100
done people would get different

776
00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:36,659
impressions we prepare the results

777
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afterward so in other words if we get 15

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questionnaires and 80% of those people

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00:32:45,260 --> 00:32:43,620
said they heard jungle cell well they

780
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saw Mayan headdresses but they saw a

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Mayan scene that's statistically

782
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relevant so that 85% is 70 percent in

783
00:32:53,539 --> 00:32:51,900
and I documented all these things and

784
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,549
work reports on him and what was out

785
00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:55,919
more than 70% of hit we considered to be

786
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:58,020
statistically relevant and something

787
00:33:01,760 --> 00:32:59,700
that came out of the skull now I could

788
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:01,770
also discuss with you the scientific

789
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:04,650
theory of marcel Vogel how this goes

790
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actually work how they did it

791
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:08,220
sure go ahead let's talk about Vogel

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00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,049
first of all for those of our listeners

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who aren't aware of who Marcel Vogel is

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in terms of crystal studies and crystal

795
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research he he was he was quite a

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pioneer and some of the crystals that he

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actually made and fabricated are quite

798
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valuable now why don't you give us a

799
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little little thumbnail on on Marcel

800
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Vogel and his work with IBM Vogel cut

801
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crystals in fact yes Marcel Vogel

802
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actually got his doctorate in the liquid

803
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:36,450
phosphorous liquid crystal so he already

804
00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:38,700
there was scientifically trained the PhD

805
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:39,179
in chemistry

806
00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:40,559
he had no understood the chemistry and

807
00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:42,630
this is why his theory is very strongly

808
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based but he worked for IBM for many

809
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many years

810
00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:47,460
he was also high-ranking Rosicrucian was

811
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on call with the Rosicrucian order to

812
00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:51,510
come in with table just like this had

813
00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:54,270
happened when I called him in in 1980 he

814
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had already worked with two known

815
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crystal skulls the famous

816
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:00,000
mitchell-hedges Crystal Skull which we

817
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could talk about before we're done and

818
00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:04,000
crystal skulls in the British Museum

819
00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:05,350
known the British Museum scope

820
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,390
she already work with true scope he came

821
00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:10,000
in and this is a theory that Marcel

822
00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:12,190
Vogel had now this is pure science first

823
00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:13,480
we'll start out with pure chemists

824
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:15,340
oh it's crystal chemical compound

825
00:34:21,630 --> 00:34:19,450
silicon dioxide one silicon atom bonded

826
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,640
to two oxygen and now you have in the

827
00:34:24,659 --> 00:34:23,919
crystalline lattice the lattice work of

828
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:24,669
the crystal

829
00:34:29,399 --> 00:34:26,890
they are possible to have defects in the

830
00:34:31,710 --> 00:34:29,409
crystal now this is pure crystallography

831
00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:31,720
anything I'm saying now I will cut it

832
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:33,790
off at the point when it stops being but

833
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:35,290
all the things I'm saying now its

834
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:37,450
standard crystallography anybody could

835
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:39,490
look this up in textbooks the chemistry

836
00:34:43,770 --> 00:34:41,050
of crystals and we'll see exactly what

837
00:34:45,450 --> 00:34:43,780
I'm saying so two types of defects could

838
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:45,460
be in the crystal lattice what is called

839
00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:47,649
a line defect what is called a point

840
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:50,230
defect for our purposes we're only going

841
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:52,330
to talk about point defects what a point

842
00:34:57,930 --> 00:34:54,550
defects mean chemical structure is

843
00:35:00,120 --> 00:34:57,940
silicon dioxide it forms a a hexagonal

844
00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:00,130
shaped six-sided type most crystals are

845
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:03,430
six-sided in that crystal lattice in the

846
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:05,770
crystal matrix a silicon atom could

847
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:08,050
actually be missing you could have at

848
00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:10,390
bond to two oxygen atoms where the

849
00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:12,430
silicon atom is missing this is called a

850
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:14,230
point defect this is pure

851
00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:15,610
crystallography this is not benefiting

852
00:35:21,090 --> 00:35:18,340
well it becomes very physics is marcell

853
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:21,100
Vogel said that empty space where the

854
00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:23,830
silicon atom normally would reside can

855
00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:27,430
be occupied by post energy ie human

856
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:29,800
thought he claimed and demonstrated with

857
00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:32,320
deep breathing techniques with willpower

858
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:34,300
you can actually pulse your thoughts

859
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:37,330
into a crystal therefore the crystal can

860
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:39,730
store energy and it is possible to have

861
00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:42,960
in just a small piece of quartz crystal

862
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,360
literally billions of line defects

863
00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:48,400
billions of data points that can be

864
00:35:52,170 --> 00:35:49,120
occupied

865
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,180
so therefore this led a scientific basis

866
00:35:56,580 --> 00:35:54,160
for a reason to the things that many of

867
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,590
us came to one of the great again big

868
00:36:00,000 --> 00:35:58,480
hits that people got working with

869
00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:00,010
crystal stone they will like computers

870
00:36:04,980 --> 00:36:01,870
is that they were able to store energy

871
00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:04,990
now the ancient peoples used crystal

872
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:07,390
skulls in particular and crystals to

873
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:08,770
actually be computers to store

874
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:11,770
information that can be tapped and this

875
00:36:15,089 --> 00:36:13,810
is one of the things that both Marcel

876
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:15,099
Vogel and

877
00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:16,930
you know to look how to exit that

878
00:36:20,249 --> 00:36:18,670
information now as you mentioned and

879
00:36:22,729 --> 00:36:20,259
we'll go into this our next segment

880
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:22,739
Marcel Vogel of course worked for IBM

881
00:36:27,809 --> 00:36:25,359
now that he bring any of this knowledge

882
00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:27,819
to his work at IBM and developing the

883
00:36:31,859 --> 00:36:30,670
properties of quartz crystals we get

884
00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:31,869
into more of that in a moment

885
00:36:36,809 --> 00:36:34,180
Steven Mahler joins us we're talking

886
00:36:39,479 --> 00:36:36,819
about crystal skulls and a lot more how

887
00:36:41,309 --> 00:36:39,489
they can be tested not just what you

888
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,319
believe but what you can prove we hope

889
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we want to hear from you write us and

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Steven Mayer joins us we're focusing on

987
00:41:32,349 --> 00:41:29,750
crystal skulls he's an archaeologist

988
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work with the Rosicrucian and we're

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covering the test methodology here I'm

990
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gene Steinberg you're in the para cast

991
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the closed is Chris O'Brien okay Steven

992
00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:43,099
before we did that break we were

993
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focusing on Marcel Vogel now that he

994
00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:49,910
bring any of this back to IBM and

995
00:41:56,829 --> 00:41:53,480
developing the early computer chips yes

996
00:41:58,900 --> 00:41:56,839
no he did work with liquid phosphorus

997
00:42:01,540 --> 00:41:58,910
that's really what his work with IBM was

998
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,550
so he did work with liquid crystal so he

999
00:42:05,890 --> 00:42:04,160
did develop some products with IBM but

1000
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,900
what you're talking about as far as it

1001
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:08,000
what we call the Vogel cut crystal this

1002
00:42:12,940 --> 00:42:09,830
was on a spare time where he also

1003
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:12,950
developed a whole industry of developing

1004
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:14,510
these particular cut crystals that he

1005
00:42:20,290 --> 00:42:17,330
sold and also taught crystal classes but

1006
00:42:22,839 --> 00:42:20,300
this was apart from IBM he separated his

1007
00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:22,849
professional academic Emmys professional

1008
00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:24,830
status with IBM from his work with the

1009
00:42:28,839 --> 00:42:27,080
Rosicrucians with the crystal but he's

1010
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:28,849
now did they tolerate that because you

1011
00:42:33,099 --> 00:42:30,859
think of one of these old very

1012
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conservative companies and you see

1013
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:35,450
somebody on there one of their key

1014
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:38,210
scientists perhaps is involved in an

1015
00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:40,490
organization they'd regard his wacky so

1016
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:41,750
how I worked out for him

1017
00:42:45,010 --> 00:42:43,250
it didn't happen instead of date that

1018
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:45,020
wasn't the case in the Senate in

1019
00:42:48,490 --> 00:42:46,670
California it wasn't the case when he

1020
00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:48,500
worked that idea that there was no and

1021
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:50,390
because he was at least 25 years thirty

1022
00:42:53,859 --> 00:42:52,010
years of senior scientist with him what

1023
00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:53,869
he really started to develop the crystal

1024
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:56,060
work so he was already firmly entrenched

1025
00:42:59,470 --> 00:42:57,650
as a senior scientist there was nothing

1026
00:43:01,150 --> 00:42:59,480
and they never they never had a little

1027
00:43:03,099 --> 00:43:01,160
bit all if it was ever Libre okay let's

1028
00:43:05,410 --> 00:43:03,109
return then to the testing and

1029
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,420
everything okay this is March now we're

1030
00:43:10,660 --> 00:43:08,240
talking January of 1980 I the skull was

1031
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,670
brought in I got to learn our work with

1032
00:43:15,130 --> 00:43:12,800
a man named his name was John Zamora

1033
00:43:17,950 --> 00:43:15,140
he was a mexican-american living in San

1034
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,960
Jose who was an agent supposedly for my

1035
00:43:22,210 --> 00:43:19,280
ends and a Mayan priests who were

1036
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:22,220
bringing a cache of things in there's

1037
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,510
only things we could talk about I've

1038
00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:25,520
already shown Chris some of this not

1039
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:27,260
only do they bring in crystal skull

1040
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,400
but they brought in genuine Mayan

1041
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,560
artifacts carved Jade caught o'mike

1042
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:33,200
artifacts carp of jade and even the

1043
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:34,850
Aztec piece so there was a whole cache

1044
00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:36,770
there was no doubt they were involved

1045
00:43:40,990 --> 00:43:39,260
this group in getting to Mayan tombs at

1046
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:41,000
the gentlemen who actually brought in

1047
00:43:44,170 --> 00:43:42,530
these items within Francisco Reyes

1048
00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:44,180
trying to be a Mayan priest I worked

1049
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:44,840
with him

1050
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:46,730
he claimed that they were getting into

1051
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:48,950
Mayan tombs and they were allowed to

1052
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:50,570
bring you things that they was helping

1053
00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:52,310
us carving those of Terra so he Borden

1054
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:54,200
more than one crystal skull the first

1055
00:43:57,070 --> 00:43:55,850
one was a Mayan crystal skull I had a

1056
00:43:58,990 --> 00:43:57,080
couple of sessions with it in the

1057
00:44:01,120 --> 00:43:59,000
Rosicrucian lab I actually took it home

1058
00:44:02,530 --> 00:44:01,130
back to work with it it's when I started

1059
00:44:04,510 --> 00:44:02,540
to do my own personal work with Chris

1060
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:04,520
let's go and I realized that there's you

1061
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,410
know again this is where it becomes

1062
00:44:10,510 --> 00:44:08,000
something that's difficult for people to

1063
00:44:12,670 --> 00:44:10,520
understand because straight academic

1064
00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:12,680
science cannot deal with these objects

1065
00:44:16,090 --> 00:44:14,030
there's so much more to them

1066
00:44:17,980 --> 00:44:16,100
understanding the crystal that is just

1067
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:17,990
pure physical physical chemistry and

1068
00:44:22,330 --> 00:44:20,330
there's a metaphysical aspect that I

1069
00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:22,340
think that science cannot deal with so

1070
00:44:26,620 --> 00:44:25,430
for example most of the academic things

1071
00:44:28,990 --> 00:44:26,630
that are coming out particularly by a

1072
00:44:31,090 --> 00:44:29,000
woman named Jane Walt who is the

1073
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,100
resident anthropologist at the

1074
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:33,440
Smithsonian she's claiming that all the

1075
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:35,690
crystal skulls are forming in her birth

1076
00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:37,970
meaning that they're all modern carved

1077
00:44:43,870 --> 00:44:40,790
carved by machines however the idea was

1078
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:43,880
with Nick no Serena who I met 1983 got

1079
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:45,650
to work with an amethyst crystals go

1080
00:44:51,250 --> 00:44:48,410
with him and from 1983 to 2004 his

1081
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:51,260
passing he was my supreme teacher in

1082
00:44:56,410 --> 00:44:53,660
crystal skull research he developed a

1083
00:44:58,810 --> 00:44:56,420
scientific approach where he developed a

1084
00:45:00,940 --> 00:44:58,820
three-part type system to classify this

1085
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,950
girl what we'll call it contemporaries

1086
00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:02,960
go yes it was a crystal skull has been

1087
00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:05,420
carved within the last 50 to 100 years a

1088
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:07,790
skull that may be carved as a crystal

1089
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:09,950
comes as a skull more than a hundred

1090
00:45:14,590 --> 00:45:12,170
years we say is old a couple hundred

1091
00:45:16,330 --> 00:45:14,600
years he put an arbitrary date if a

1092
00:45:19,150 --> 00:45:16,340
crystal has been carved into a skull

1093
00:45:20,890 --> 00:45:19,160
over 1,000 years ago we call it an

1094
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:20,900
ancient crystal skull so this is where

1095
00:45:24,609 --> 00:45:22,130
we come into the fact are these

1096
00:45:26,650 --> 00:45:24,619
genuinely ancient artifacts and we can

1097
00:45:28,690 --> 00:45:26,660
discuss how I deal with testing that

1098
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:28,700
Annette has to do with it as Chris

1099
00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:30,530
mentioned this go I just recently got to

1100
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:32,420
see in Sedona Arizona which I've written

1101
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:34,310
an article about but David had Jude

1102
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,050
Children's next issue of wax magazine

1103
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:38,240
how we actually scientifically contested

1104
00:45:42,970 --> 00:45:40,760
crystal skull I specialize being

1105
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:42,980
archaeologist being the fact that my my

1106
00:45:46,690 --> 00:45:44,450
interest go back ancient Egypt over ten

1107
00:45:48,970 --> 00:45:46,700
thousand years ago I specialize in the

1108
00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:48,980
items we call ancient crystal skulls and

1109
00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:51,140
I totally disagree with the academic

1110
00:45:55,090 --> 00:45:53,150
people like Jane walls will say that

1111
00:45:57,490 --> 00:45:55,100
none of these original are okay so how

1112
00:45:59,650 --> 00:45:57,500
do we find the line of demarcation here

1113
00:46:01,900 --> 00:45:59,660
how many of these skulls what proportion

1114
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:01,910
of the ancients goes seem to have some

1115
00:46:06,910 --> 00:46:03,710
strange properties and which ones are

1116
00:46:09,550 --> 00:46:06,920
just nice artifacts well it's a matter

1117
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:09,560
of the property of quartz crystal that a

1118
00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:11,810
skull it could be carved last week still

1119
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,190
has a basic property it is the

1120
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:15,680
properties of quartz itself the ability

1121
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,290
to be what we say scientifically you

1122
00:46:22,570 --> 00:46:20,960
squeeze court it's piezoelectric what

1123
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:22,580
does that mean it means that you squeeze

1124
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,530
you put pressure on quartz crystal it

1125
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:26,240
produces on my mood electric charge

1126
00:46:29,890 --> 00:46:28,430
court also has the ability to make an

1127
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:29,900
electric charge coherent what does that

1128
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:32,210
mean electrical charge is jumping all

1129
00:46:36,010 --> 00:46:33,770
over the place if you're beaming through

1130
00:46:38,140 --> 00:46:36,020
quartz crystal it makes the charge go

1131
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,150
here this is why we have this silicon

1132
00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:40,400
chip industry why the computer we're

1133
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:42,260
talking to each other over is based on

1134
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:43,970
silicon where I watch my timepieces

1135
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,610
silicon has the amazing ability to take

1136
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:48,800
a electrical charge and make it coherent

1137
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:50,810
it can act as a step up generator and

1138
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:52,610
the step down gentlemen so this is

1139
00:46:56,110 --> 00:46:53,510
quartz itself

1140
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,120
what's itself is amazing critter object

1141
00:46:59,800 --> 00:46:58,160
it's an amazing phenomena so all the

1142
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,810
crystal or all crystals goes well it's

1143
00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:01,760
car last week 200 years ago or a

1144
00:47:06,190 --> 00:47:03,950
thousand years ago the difference with

1145
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:06,200
the ancient courses scope is what we can

1146
00:47:11,530 --> 00:47:08,510
go into detail we accept that these

1147
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:11,540
crystalline structures have properties

1148
00:47:16,690 --> 00:47:14,150
that certainly can be used in computers

1149
00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:16,700
just like we of course use silicon

1150
00:47:19,870 --> 00:47:18,500
wafers and everything building personal

1151
00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:19,880
computers all that stuff we know that's

1152
00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:22,100
done we know that science we know we can

1153
00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:25,430
program things into them but if we look

1154
00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:27,470
at ancient objects are we thinking maybe

1155
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:30,500
the ancients had computers too or these

1156
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,490
are one of those things

1157
00:47:36,490 --> 00:47:33,920
well actually saying this crystal itself

1158
00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:36,500
with the computer again Vogel said if

1159
00:47:41,230 --> 00:47:38,870
there are these quick defects there's an

1160
00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:41,240
empty space in the crystal lattice it

1161
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:43,070
could actually demonstrated using

1162
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:45,350
staccato deep breathing also the same

1163
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:47,330
type of technique that both of them are

1164
00:47:51,490 --> 00:47:49,370
that Nick no Serena would use to become

1165
00:47:53,290 --> 00:47:51,500
attuned to a scope Nick no Serena would

1166
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:53,300
give us a whole complete demonstration

1167
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:53,930
how it

1168
00:47:57,250 --> 00:47:55,910
describe how you prepare yourself to

1169
00:47:59,049 --> 00:47:57,260
quit to do crystallography or

1170
00:48:01,720 --> 00:47:59,059
psychometry how you tune yourself to

1171
00:48:03,549 --> 00:48:01,730
deep breathing to do vowel sounds how

1172
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,559
you tune yourself with the crystal so

1173
00:48:07,780 --> 00:48:05,599
we're saying that all crystal can be

1174
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:07,790
used as computers that's basically what

1175
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:09,710
the ancients were doing it can store

1176
00:48:15,220 --> 00:48:12,800
information and knowledge this is why we

1177
00:48:17,950 --> 00:48:15,230
claim when people do psychometry and

1178
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,960
they see scene they get information

1179
00:48:22,089 --> 00:48:20,000
coming out of the skull it's not just

1180
00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:22,099
coming out of the air they're not just

1181
00:48:26,170 --> 00:48:24,140
making things up which obviously a lot

1182
00:48:27,490 --> 00:48:26,180
of skeptics would say you're just making

1183
00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:27,500
things up you're just using your

1184
00:48:31,180 --> 00:48:29,750
imagination but we are claiming that

1185
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,190
people are getting these from the

1186
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:33,200
crystal the vibration of the crystal is

1187
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:35,510
bringing pulse electrical information

1188
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,510
into our brain our brain translates that

1189
00:48:42,910 --> 00:48:40,640
post electrical information into seemed

1190
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:42,920
into information that is how information

1191
00:48:47,260 --> 00:48:45,410
moves it is all science it's as neuro

1192
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:47,270
science of giving you now that it's not

1193
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,440
benefiting okay so all this electronic

1194
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:52,640
rigmarole here that we have we don't

1195
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:54,770
hate the printed circuit boards we don't

1196
00:48:59,440 --> 00:48:57,170
need all the other chips and things we

1197
00:49:01,329 --> 00:48:59,450
build we can take the core crystal

1198
00:49:04,059 --> 00:49:01,339
structure and dispense with everything

1199
00:49:06,430 --> 00:49:04,069
so our Macintosh and Windows computers

1200
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:06,440
can work with just the tiny crystal

1201
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,930
nothing else that's what the agent did

1202
00:49:13,569 --> 00:49:10,880
the ancients used these crystals

1203
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:13,579
crystals go to transfer energy to store

1204
00:49:17,530 --> 00:49:15,530
energy to do healing which is about the

1205
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,540
vibration in fact so they were working

1206
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:19,760
with energy how do we know that how do

1207
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:21,410
we know that it's just what handed down

1208
00:49:26,349 --> 00:49:23,569
to us in the oral tradition okay this is

1209
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:26,359
being told to us in oral tradition where

1210
00:49:31,289 --> 00:49:28,250
where do we do the research to find this

1211
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:31,299
oral tradition and how do we actually

1212
00:49:36,490 --> 00:49:34,730
interpret it in our modern understanding

1213
00:49:37,089 --> 00:49:36,500
of how computers work that's a good

1214
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:37,099
question

1215
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,770
again what we can say is we hear

1216
00:49:42,789 --> 00:49:41,599
information about crystals called the

1217
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,799
ancient words and we're going to beat

1218
00:49:46,690 --> 00:49:44,480
about them I'll beam all around the

1219
00:49:47,859 --> 00:49:46,700
world but what we know for certain where

1220
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:47,869
the cultures that they've been

1221
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:49,369
identified with where they've been

1222
00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:51,140
coming out of in tubes is Mexico and

1223
00:49:56,109 --> 00:49:53,420
Central America connected with the Aztec

1224
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:56,119
Maya and Olmec civilization we again the

1225
00:49:59,770 --> 00:49:57,680
provenance is not there but we know for

1226
00:50:02,140 --> 00:49:59,780
sure one crystal skull came out of the

1227
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:02,150
tomb that was a mine too I believe a lot

1228
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,010
of them came out of so called omec Maya

1229
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:06,319
tools I could talk to you again DITA I

1230
00:50:10,789 --> 00:50:07,890
believe the Olmecs were Volvo car

1231
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:10,799
ancient one so these are the cultures

1232
00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:11,849
involved with it so who will they're

1233
00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:13,380
adopting we'll talk to my in wisdom

1234
00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:15,230
keepers I'm not gonna talk to a

1235
00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:17,940
archaeologist I'm gonna talk to a Mayan

1236
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:20,190
day keeper like Don Alejandro

1237
00:50:25,279 --> 00:50:22,890
uh who was in his 80s who was the

1238
00:50:27,289 --> 00:50:25,289
recognized Elbert ickey recognized out

1239
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:27,299
of the kitchen Maya for tomorrow

1240
00:50:31,250 --> 00:50:29,880
he gives us the Mayan tradition of the

1241
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:31,260
crystal skulls they have this far on the

1242
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:32,700
tradition so there's really wrong

1243
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:34,140
stories come out and they've come out

1244
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:36,359
and other people Native American others

1245
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:38,250
have talked about crystal skull but it's

1246
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:40,260
predominantly coming from the Maya and

1247
00:50:46,089 --> 00:50:43,680
omen okay so how do we determine that

1248
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:46,099
the crystal skull we find is really

1249
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,920
sourced from that civilization well let

1250
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:50,880
me tell you how we can tell the

1251
00:50:53,660 --> 00:50:52,170
difference between the modern scope of

1252
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:53,670
an ancient skull which a lot of people

1253
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:55,710
are totally unaware of it particularly

1254
00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:57,660
some credentials archaeologists in the

1255
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:58,260
other problem

1256
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:01,319
a modern crystal stone it would be

1257
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:04,980
machined so if the machine so and I mean

1258
00:51:09,069 --> 00:51:07,500
very strongly here to the work of a

1259
00:51:11,420 --> 00:51:09,079
great colleague and friend of mine

1260
00:51:13,460 --> 00:51:11,430
Christopher Dunn dumn

1261
00:51:15,319 --> 00:51:13,470
anybody that interested in learning

1262
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:15,329
about ancient machining the things we

1263
00:51:18,289 --> 00:51:16,710
have to talk about how the Great Pyramid

1264
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:18,299
was built how they cut granite I

1265
00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:20,700
recommend reading his books so it's from

1266
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:22,380
him that I'm presenting this information

1267
00:51:26,809 --> 00:51:24,930
on modern machining he is the expert in

1268
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:26,819
the field when your machine something

1269
00:51:30,140 --> 00:51:28,380
when you're gonna develop something

1270
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:30,150
carve something up by machine

1271
00:51:34,759 --> 00:51:33,000
you said a guide path on your machine or

1272
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:34,769
the drill and it goes of course a third

1273
00:51:38,839 --> 00:51:37,319
part not automating the process ensured

1274
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:38,849
let's go into this more detail in a

1275
00:51:41,029 --> 00:51:39,180
moment

1276
00:51:43,549 --> 00:51:41,039
Steven mailer joins us he's an

1277
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,559
archeologist and were discussing crystal

1278
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:45,599
skulls from a scientific standpoint the

1279
00:51:52,530 --> 00:51:47,490
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1280
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,140
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1281
00:51:59,380 --> 00:51:57,680
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1296
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fabric engraving can bed strips and

1297
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1298
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carding to a private bank having a led

1299
00:52:31,540 --> 00:52:29,930
back at interest

1300
00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:31,550
forcing taxes to service debt this

1301
00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:33,230
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

1302
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:34,550
stating a central bank issuing the

1303
00:52:37,060 --> 00:52:36,050
public currency is a greater menace to

1304
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:37,070
the liberties of the people than a

1305
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:38,510
standing army today Anderson I'm placing

1306
00:52:41,530 --> 00:52:39,710
a free silver dollar in a book that

1307
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:41,540
explains our monetary system call for

1308
00:52:47,290 --> 00:52:44,510
your copy 806 86 to 237 it's time to

1309
00:52:56,050 --> 00:52:47,300
understand the system call 866 to 237

1310
00:53:05,890 --> 00:52:56,060
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

1311
00:53:07,450 --> 00:53:05,900
the past for many more segments on this

1312
00:53:11,050 --> 00:53:07,460
week's episode the power cast with

1313
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:11,060
Keenan Chris exploring the technology

1314
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:14,240
behind crystal scoffs okay so there's a

1315
00:53:18,910 --> 00:53:17,330
machining process that's involved in the

1316
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:18,920
current construction does that make it

1317
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:23,200
more perfect than with modern crystals

1318
00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:26,210
on your tools or follows an arc so that

1319
00:53:31,930 --> 00:53:29,420
means if you're making a skull face one

1320
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:31,940
side of the face will be exactly like

1321
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:33,710
the other side because it's following a

1322
00:53:38,770 --> 00:53:36,050
guide path or a machine it's usually a

1323
00:53:40,690 --> 00:53:38,780
diamond tool or something to cut cords

1324
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:40,700
again let's get people's in science

1325
00:53:47,590 --> 00:53:43,670
again what's called the Mohs scale M o

1326
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:47,600
HS is how geology rates a stone of

1327
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:50,330
course diamond being ten crystal quartz

1328
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:52,370
crystal would be seven to seven point

1329
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:55,250
five on a ten scale so the cut courts

1330
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:57,770
need something seven or higher usually

1331
00:54:02,830 --> 00:54:01,040
carborundum or diamond so to set a guide

1332
00:54:04,990 --> 00:54:02,840
path it's going to carve one side in the

1333
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:05,000
face exactly like the other we call this

1334
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:06,880
as being five

1335
00:54:12,130 --> 00:54:10,160
symmetrical bi-lateral symmetrical one

1336
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:12,140
side of the face is exactly like the

1337
00:54:16,030 --> 00:54:13,760
other side of the face I asked every

1338
00:54:18,190 --> 00:54:16,040
viewer although he now look at your face

1339
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,200
in the mirror your face is not like that

1340
00:54:22,180 --> 00:54:20,240
one I can be lower than the other one

1341
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,190
not so tired and the other one cheekbone

1342
00:54:27,550 --> 00:54:25,280
our face anatomically is not bilaterally

1343
00:54:29,590 --> 00:54:27,560
symmetrical it is different so you look

1344
00:54:31,870 --> 00:54:29,600
at it what we call a purported ancient

1345
00:54:33,790 --> 00:54:31,880
crystal skull the first one thing we can

1346
00:54:35,590 --> 00:54:33,800
look at from observation is it

1347
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:35,600
bilaterally symmetrical and this goes I

1348
00:54:39,340 --> 00:54:37,610
mentioned to you that I documented as

1349
00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:39,350
being ancient the Mayan crystal skull

1350
00:54:44,860 --> 00:54:42,470
the amethyst crystal skull Shona Rob max

1351
00:54:47,050 --> 00:54:44,870
whenever talked about Einstein none of

1352
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:47,060
these skulls are bilaterally symmetric

1353
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:48,710
so there is a minor point of

1354
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:52,670
imperfection about them that minor major

1355
00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:54,530
gene okay well we want to clarify that

1356
00:54:58,930 --> 00:54:57,260
okay because these are made by hand

1357
00:55:00,640 --> 00:54:58,940
that's correct danger so now we're

1358
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,650
looking at it so now we observed a

1359
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:02,240
Polish we'll be using a machine to

1360
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:04,370
polish a crystal skull any crystal it's

1361
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:06,290
gonna be finely polished smooth as glass

1362
00:55:10,540 --> 00:55:08,930
no imperfection of machines that machine

1363
00:55:12,670 --> 00:55:10,550
it over and over why are they good

1364
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:12,680
understand why are we making a

1365
00:55:16,210 --> 00:55:14,330
contemporary crystal scope we're making

1366
00:55:17,590 --> 00:55:16,220
it to be so we're making it to be so

1367
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,600
let's talk about capitalism here

1368
00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:19,280
anything that's done in the last hundred

1369
00:55:23,260 --> 00:55:21,230
years or 200 years is to be made to be

1370
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:23,270
so predominantly so it we're carving it

1371
00:55:26,860 --> 00:55:25,370
perfect to look smooth to look clean to

1372
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:26,870
look nice so somebody's gonna look at it

1373
00:55:31,210 --> 00:55:28,730
aesthetically pleasing by it when we

1374
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:31,220
look at a max Hashanah rock or let's go

1375
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,480
back to the first one I talked about

1376
00:55:36,310 --> 00:55:34,640
them the Mayan crystal skull the first

1377
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,320
one I looked at as an archaeologist in

1378
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:38,480
1980 I noticed it was not finally

1379
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:40,010
published their work cut works do it

1380
00:55:43,930 --> 00:55:42,020
bumps do it looks like it was carved by

1381
00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:43,940
hand looks like it was carved by hand

1382
00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:46,820
that is one important distinction for

1383
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:48,950
ancient skull to modern scope they were

1384
00:55:53,020 --> 00:55:51,170
carved by hand how would they carve by

1385
00:55:55,180 --> 00:55:53,030
end we have many different theories we

1386
00:55:57,340 --> 00:55:55,190
could talk about so we're not looking in

1387
00:55:58,540 --> 00:55:57,350
terms of et technology or ancient

1388
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:58,550
astronauts here we're talking about

1389
00:56:02,830 --> 00:56:01,280
primitive peoples who use the implements

1390
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,840
of their society to build these things

1391
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:04,400
well you bring a great point because

1392
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,410
that's a whole subject of discussion

1393
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:08,720
you've got a whole group of people who

1394
00:56:11,980 --> 00:56:10,310
look at these ancients goes and says

1395
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,990
they have to be a janu because ancient

1396
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,520
people could have done that we don't

1397
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:14,960
agree with it if you're asking my

1398
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:16,910
opinion based on thirty years of

1399
00:56:20,529 --> 00:56:19,730
research I say ancient peoples carved a

1400
00:56:22,419 --> 00:56:20,539
scope by hand

1401
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,429
they had knowledge of diamonds we see

1402
00:56:26,829 --> 00:56:24,799
the same thing in Egypt that they were

1403
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:26,839
using diamond drills to cut granite over

1404
00:56:31,630 --> 00:56:29,209
10,000 years ago so ancient people had

1405
00:56:33,130 --> 00:56:31,640
the knowledge of diamond they didn't use

1406
00:56:35,499 --> 00:56:33,140
machines to cut these codes but they had

1407
00:56:38,140 --> 00:56:35,509
use some type of diamonds and diamond

1408
00:56:40,749 --> 00:56:38,150
grid somehow diamond tools and very

1409
00:56:43,390 --> 00:56:40,759
painstaking and we say what we see in

1410
00:56:46,029 --> 00:56:43,400
the ancients go as opposed to the modern

1411
00:56:47,709 --> 00:56:46,039
scope is the intent of the carver is in

1412
00:56:49,269 --> 00:56:47,719
discovery this becomes paranormal and

1413
00:56:50,589 --> 00:56:49,279
metaphysical but there's a definite

1414
00:56:53,019 --> 00:56:50,599
difference between an ancient scope and

1415
00:56:55,029 --> 00:56:53,029
a modern scope due to the energy due to

1416
00:56:57,189 --> 00:56:55,039
how long it's been used by humans and

1417
00:57:00,009 --> 00:56:57,199
due to the intent of the carbon again

1418
00:57:01,630 --> 00:57:00,019
and modern skull is carved to be so it's

1419
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:01,640
going to look as pretty as they can make

1420
00:57:06,939 --> 00:57:04,249
it shiny polished using fairly night I

1421
00:57:08,709 --> 00:57:06,949
mean we see crystals go today in every

1422
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:08,719
possible crystal you can imagine

1423
00:57:13,329 --> 00:57:11,089
including skulls that have diamond that

1424
00:57:15,009 --> 00:57:13,339
are gonna add one that's up for sale I

1425
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,019
can give you a website for ten million

1426
00:57:19,630 --> 00:57:17,359
dollars a diamond encrusted scope but

1427
00:57:21,999 --> 00:57:19,640
every possible crystal now you can think

1428
00:57:24,429 --> 00:57:22,009
of emerald movies whatever is Crystal

1429
00:57:26,649 --> 00:57:24,439
Skull beta and the ancients did too if

1430
00:57:29,529 --> 00:57:26,659
they chose their fruit let's go for

1431
00:57:32,019 --> 00:57:29,539
example the Maya loved Jade so we see a

1432
00:57:34,329 --> 00:57:32,029
Jade crystal skull coming out of a Mayan

1433
00:57:36,339 --> 00:57:34,339
tomb it is very significant and they are

1434
00:57:38,049 --> 00:57:36,349
coming out now isn't something else you

1435
00:57:40,809 --> 00:57:38,059
can talk about what crystal skulls are

1436
00:57:42,819 --> 00:57:40,819
coming out all the time now okay I want

1437
00:57:45,099 --> 00:57:42,829
to go in to end the moment but one thing

1438
00:57:46,989 --> 00:57:45,109
that occurred to me when we had Joshua

1439
00:57:49,299 --> 00:57:46,999
Shapiro on the show and occurs to me

1440
00:57:52,659 --> 00:57:49,309
again here we're looking at crystal

1441
00:57:55,929 --> 00:57:52,669
skulls as ancient computers here and

1442
00:57:58,749 --> 00:57:55,939
then I go back to Richard shaver the guy

1443
00:58:01,239 --> 00:57:58,759
who said he met these creatures beneath

1444
00:58:03,759 --> 00:58:01,249
the caverns beneath the surface of the

1445
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:03,769
earth and he was looking for rock books

1446
00:58:09,549 --> 00:58:06,799
some kind of quartz crystals that

1447
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:09,559
contained records the knowledge of

1448
00:58:13,419 --> 00:58:11,569
ancient civilizations he was trying to

1449
00:58:16,179 --> 00:58:13,429
interpret them he was trying to

1450
00:58:17,529 --> 00:58:16,189
translate them does any of this have any

1451
00:58:19,449 --> 00:58:17,539
relationship to what you're talking

1452
00:58:21,819 --> 00:58:19,459
about yes in a way again we can talk

1453
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:21,829
about that there are certain crystals

1454
00:58:26,469 --> 00:58:24,049
are given the designation record keeper

1455
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,479
that they seem to have had many

1456
00:58:30,959 --> 00:58:28,640
so-called point defects and they have an

1457
00:58:33,490 --> 00:58:30,969
incident capacity to store information

1458
00:58:36,190 --> 00:58:33,500
again ancient records yes

1459
00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:36,200
we have seen I have seen scenes of

1460
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:38,270
ancient civilizations in Crystal Skull

1461
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:40,610
so they're the records I mean again I

1462
00:58:44,530 --> 00:58:42,590
work with a second Crystal Skull work

1463
00:58:46,420 --> 00:58:44,540
with I call the amethyst crystals kakuzu

1464
00:58:46,810 --> 00:58:46,430
eight pounds of amethyst incredible

1465
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:46,820
skull

1466
00:58:50,110 --> 00:58:48,710
I have pictures in the book I will talk

1467
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:50,120
about my book with David after children

1468
00:58:53,710 --> 00:58:51,530
these pictures of all the skulls I

1469
00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:53,720
discuss but in this amethyst crystal

1470
00:58:59,080 --> 00:58:56,030
skull I saw it seemed to ancient Egypt

1471
00:59:01,060 --> 00:58:59,090
to up at that point 1983 now I have not

1472
00:59:02,980 --> 00:59:01,070
read anywhere I saw this thing to the

1473
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:02,990
lake that's a lush green all around I

1474
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:04,910
saw pyramids with energies kicking out

1475
00:59:08,380 --> 00:59:06,770
of them I did not understand what I was

1476
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:08,390
seeing because no one had written about

1477
00:59:13,570 --> 00:59:10,370
at that time low involved 9 years later

1478
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:13,580
I go to Egypt 1992 I meet the man who

1479
00:59:17,230 --> 00:59:15,290
becomes my teacher and indigenous wisdom

1480
00:59:19,390 --> 00:59:17,240
keeper and he fills in the whole history

1481
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:19,400
of the indigenous story exactly what I

1482
00:59:25,180 --> 00:59:22,400
saw in that Christmas go so yes people

1483
00:59:27,220 --> 00:59:25,190
say the crystal skulls contain evidences

1484
00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:27,230
of history of ancient civilizations

1485
00:59:31,570 --> 00:59:29,390
people seen it in there ok but do you

1486
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:31,580
have to use sensitives to get this

1487
00:59:35,410 --> 00:59:33,170
information or can you bring it to a

1488
00:59:38,380 --> 00:59:35,420
laboratory hook it up to one of today's

1489
00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:38,390
computers and find this information yeah

1490
00:59:44,110 --> 00:59:41,030
that's a great point lies it in ones and

1491
00:59:45,610 --> 00:59:44,120
zeroes it will be eventually gene I

1492
00:59:47,770 --> 00:59:45,620
think that's a great point to bring up

1493
00:59:50,140 --> 00:59:47,780
right now it comes into the form of

1494
00:59:51,850 --> 00:59:50,150
parapsychology of psychometry we the

1495
00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:51,860
only way to access the information out

1496
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:54,230
is psychically but I do believe you've

1497
00:59:58,300 --> 00:59:55,370
hit on a great point

1498
00:59:59,500 --> 00:59:58,310
I do believe one date we will be able to

1499
01:00:01,780 --> 00:59:59,510
look these crystals close up the

1500
01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:01,790
computer and see visual images coming

1501
01:00:05,170 --> 01:00:02,990
evidence it sounds like a great

1502
01:00:12,010 --> 01:00:05,180
screenplay sure that'd make a great

1503
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:12,020
screenplay right before we get too far

1504
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:13,970
down the road I'm gonna go back to the

1505
01:00:19,150 --> 01:00:15,770
whole idea of ancient people having the

1506
01:00:21,490 --> 01:00:19,160
technology and the technological prowess

1507
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:21,500
and materials to actually fabricate

1508
01:00:26,050 --> 01:00:24,110
these things where did let's say for

1509
01:00:27,970 --> 01:00:26,060
instance the Olmec or the Maya whoa how

1510
01:00:31,630 --> 01:00:27,980
did they have access to diamonds is

1511
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:31,640
there any sort of source of diamonds the

1512
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:34,610
north of Brazil no you bring up a great

1513
01:00:41,410 --> 01:00:38,690
point and a great future research Brazil

1514
01:00:44,410 --> 01:00:41,420
of course and an Africa South Africa

1515
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:44,420
what we know for sure Chris is that the

1516
01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:45,710
Olmec were treating with whatever

1517
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,160
consumer those

1518
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:49,200
the giant handed la venta and its

1519
01:00:55,790 --> 01:00:52,680
environs oh we see these incredible head

1520
01:00:58,550 --> 01:00:55,800
out of the salt that weigh 30 tons that

1521
01:01:01,340 --> 01:00:58,560
are clearly West African Meredith

1522
01:01:03,620 --> 01:01:01,350
sailors there is no doubt in my mind

1523
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:03,630
that the omec were trading with Africans

1524
01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:07,410
with Asians and with with European so uh

1525
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,990
you know diamonds diamonds ever been

1526
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:11,760
found in a Mayan tomb let's say or an

1527
01:01:15,710 --> 01:01:13,650
Olmec tomb to knowledge but I know a

1528
01:01:17,930 --> 01:01:15,720
good point not that I know of

1529
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:17,940
but I'm certainly sure that the site

1530
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:20,970
reports have not been complete because

1531
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:24,480
we haven't we haven't found diamond

1532
01:01:28,820 --> 01:01:26,280
tools in Egypt yet Christopher either

1533
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:28,830
but we know that's true we can see the

1534
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:31,050
evidence of diamond cut we could I would

1535
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:32,250
think that they would be one of the

1536
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:33,540
first things that would leave a tomb

1537
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:38,490
site surreptitiously right well I could

1538
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:40,740
I could give a joke it might be love

1539
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,330
colors I won't do it but we're now

1540
01:01:47,540 --> 01:01:44,640
allowed to do off-color only slightly

1541
01:01:51,380 --> 01:01:47,550
slightly dulled okay slightly though

1542
01:01:53,060 --> 01:01:51,390
this works actually my teacher had his

1543
01:01:54,830 --> 01:01:53,070
son who's a master carver his name is

1544
01:01:57,620 --> 01:01:54,840
Moses he named him Moses it's moose in

1545
01:01:59,120 --> 01:01:57,630
Arabic and so he makes a joke because we

1546
01:02:00,530 --> 01:01:59,130
talked about I wrote a book actually

1547
01:02:02,180 --> 01:02:00,540
talking about the Exodus and how the

1548
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:02,190
people of the left the entrance were

1549
01:02:06,340 --> 01:02:04,050
actually a follower of a particular King

1550
01:02:09,350 --> 01:02:06,350
name Akhenaten and it's a long story but

1551
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:09,360
Moses would say well you know the Jews

1552
01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:12,090
took their tools when they left why the

1553
01:02:18,410 --> 01:02:13,740
Jews that's great diamond cutters in the

1554
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:18,420
world a good point yeah you can go to an

1555
01:02:21,470 --> 01:02:20,250
area you don't don't leave don't leave

1556
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:21,480
the tools of your trade lying around

1557
01:02:32,540 --> 01:02:29,970
when you leave work to be done we have

1558
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:32,550
that fan of the diamond tools yet we see

1559
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:35,010
the evidence I have to fire who stole

1560
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:36,720
those tools and where they put them

1561
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:39,570
Stephen Miller joins us Chris O'Brien's

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the co-host I'm gene Steinberg you're in

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we're in the second hour of our fun and

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games with crystal skulls fascinating

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journey trying to look at the scientific

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01:07:39,030 --> 01:07:36,550
properties not so much the stuff that

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:39,040
you can't prove that try to really nail

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01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:40,450
it down with Steven mailer and

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01:07:45,150 --> 01:07:42,880
archaeologist I'm Jean Steinberg of the

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01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:45,160
co-host is Chris O'Brien Chris you are

1666
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:46,780
pursue the questioning and maybe there

1667
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:48,640
were one or two questions in our forums

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01:07:52,530 --> 01:07:50,650
about this gentleman first of all after

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01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:52,540
Joshua was on the show just for your own

1670
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:54,640
information Steven we had one of the

1671
01:08:00,210 --> 01:07:57,850
largest threads on the para cast forum

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01:08:02,430 --> 01:08:00,220
which is forum dr. para cast comm for

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all you new listeners go and sign up and

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become part of the fun we had 24 pages

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and almost 250 responses employee it got

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01:08:14,690 --> 01:08:11,920
hot and heavy there for a while there's

1677
01:08:17,190 --> 01:08:14,700
one whole cadre of skeptics that

1678
01:08:19,170 --> 01:08:17,200
frequent our forum and listen to the

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01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:19,180
show that absolutely took the

1680
01:08:25,230 --> 01:08:21,370
Smithsonian I forgot what was her name

1681
01:08:28,590 --> 01:08:25,240
Mary somebody rather Jane Walsh yeah

1682
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:28,600
they they took her claims that none of

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01:08:32,370 --> 01:08:30,730
these goals were ancient and boy they

1684
01:08:35,130 --> 01:08:32,380
ran with that and they just they were

1685
01:08:38,250 --> 01:08:35,140
using that as as a baton de to smack

1686
01:08:40,380 --> 01:08:38,260
anybody who disagreed with their highly

1687
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:40,390
skeptical view of this whole subject but

1688
01:08:43,860 --> 01:08:41,890
but one of the things that I'm

1689
01:08:47,130 --> 01:08:43,870
interested in knowing first of all is

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01:08:50,130 --> 01:08:47,140
you know we know about the famous you

1691
01:08:53,190 --> 01:08:50,140
know have to full size even larger than

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01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:53,200
life-size crystal skulls but there also

1693
01:08:59,099 --> 01:08:56,410
have been hundreds of smaller skulls

1694
01:09:01,700 --> 01:08:59,109
that have been found in the Mayans and

1695
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:01,710
how much documentation improvident

1696
01:09:06,050 --> 01:09:04,259
we have four smaller versions of these

1697
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:06,060
crystal skulls that that have been

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01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:08,489
reported being found it's a great point

1699
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:09,810
and I'm glad you brought to that because

1700
01:09:13,249 --> 01:09:11,489
it shows in my opinion how

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01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:13,259
intellectually academically dishonest

1702
01:09:18,890 --> 01:09:15,660
Jane Walsh is you have into in that

1703
01:09:20,209 --> 01:09:18,900
museums in Mexico City dozens of small

1704
01:09:22,849 --> 01:09:20,219
crystal skulls that have come out of

1705
01:09:24,979 --> 01:09:22,859
Aztec tomb we know the Aztecs were

1706
01:09:27,260 --> 01:09:24,989
carbons actually the Aztecs weren't if I

1707
01:09:29,329 --> 01:09:27,270
could be clear the Aztecs were actually

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01:09:31,610 --> 01:09:29,339
a confederation what is at that the

1709
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:31,620
ethics themselves were a warrior tribe

1710
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:33,120
they conquered a bunch of other tribes

1711
01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:34,920
they formed the Confederation what we

1712
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:36,660
call the Aztec Confederation but there

1713
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:38,370
was one prime actually was a couple of

1714
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,140
tribes that the Aztecs employed will

1715
01:09:43,729 --> 01:09:42,239
called the mixed ex and the zapotec they

1716
01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:43,739
were master Carver's they carved and

1717
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,540
Jade and they carved and crystal this is

1718
01:09:49,340 --> 01:09:47,520
not benefited this is scientifically

1719
01:09:51,470 --> 01:09:49,350
testable and provable we have the

1720
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:51,480
artifacts of the mistakes and Zapotecs

1721
01:09:55,190 --> 01:09:53,489
great carvers and Jade and crystal so

1722
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:55,200
yes they answer your question there are

1723
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:57,690
hundreds of small crystal skulls that

1724
01:10:03,020 --> 01:10:00,239
have come out of Mayan and Aztec tombs

1725
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:03,030
labeled so in museums and yet this woman

1726
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:05,040
will come and say that none of them are

1727
01:10:08,570 --> 01:10:06,570
ancient obviously intellectually

1728
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:08,580
dishonest now also she is claiming that

1729
01:10:13,490 --> 01:10:11,520
certain skulls are modern carve but and

1730
01:10:15,740 --> 01:10:13,500
I'm answering now your critics that she

1731
01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:15,750
never tested she made a statement and I

1732
01:10:20,570 --> 01:10:18,750
attacked her in print on this in 2005 in

1733
01:10:23,150 --> 01:10:20,580
the Washington Post that the crystals

1734
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:23,160
gone max owned by Joanne Carl parks in

1735
01:10:27,740 --> 01:10:25,770
Texas that she never tested if modern

1736
01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:27,750
carved as the rest and if I could say

1737
01:10:31,820 --> 01:10:29,670
she's lied but she's made intellectually

1738
01:10:33,740 --> 01:10:31,830
dishonest statement how she came to her

1739
01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:33,750
conclusion but those that are packing

1740
01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:36,300
her is because of Bill Holman and the

1741
01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:38,040
mitchell-hedges scope because he

1742
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:40,590
foolishly let her have that scope twice

1743
01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:43,890
she made cat of the jaw at the teeth

1744
01:10:48,170 --> 01:10:45,900
rented to her electron scanning

1745
01:10:50,209 --> 01:10:48,180
microscope so these straight cut marks

1746
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,219
that looks like it's on modern too and

1747
01:10:54,620 --> 01:10:52,800
she declared unequivocally the

1748
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:54,630
mitchell-hedges skull is a phony this

1749
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:56,610
modern carve and all of them therefore

1750
01:10:59,390 --> 01:10:57,090
are phony

1751
01:11:01,310 --> 01:10:59,400
the irony of this is we agree with her

1752
01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:01,320
meat no Serena was the first one who

1753
01:11:06,020 --> 01:11:04,140
told me in 1998 that on a

1754
01:11:07,580 --> 01:11:06,030
mitchell-hedges story about the

1755
01:11:10,010 --> 01:11:07,590
mitchell-hedges skull is a complete

1756
01:11:11,930 --> 01:11:10,020
fabrication she was never a little been

1757
01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:11,940
through that skull was never found that

1758
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:13,980
in Ubuntu that's goal was never carved

1759
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,070
by the Maya it

1760
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:17,440
is a modern carb scope so therefore Jane

1761
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:19,570
Walsh was able to use that to get that

1762
01:11:23,310 --> 01:11:21,489
information on that skull and then use

1763
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:23,320
it again every other skull we talked

1764
01:11:28,109 --> 01:11:25,840
about which she has not tested

1765
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:28,119
personally she has not tested Shannara

1766
01:11:32,129 --> 01:11:30,610
she has not tested Einstein she has not

1767
01:11:34,890 --> 01:11:32,139
tested the my own skull or the I'm a

1768
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:34,900
Cisco and she has not tested a max so

1769
01:11:39,180 --> 01:11:37,150
she lies when she talks about that these

1770
01:11:41,250 --> 01:11:39,190
skulls are into body fat she did test

1771
01:11:45,839 --> 01:11:41,260
the British skull correct which is

1772
01:11:47,339 --> 01:11:45,849
almost it is modern car so you see we

1773
01:11:49,530 --> 01:11:47,349
have a lot of modern cars called

1774
01:11:51,209 --> 01:11:49,540
full-size modern cars both with fool

1775
01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:51,219
people there are a couple out there I'm

1776
01:11:55,109 --> 01:11:53,260
not going to mention specifically that

1777
01:11:57,209 --> 01:11:55,119
are out on the indie field now they've

1778
01:11:59,729 --> 01:11:57,219
been called ancient that are not but

1779
01:12:02,819 --> 01:11:59,739
there are those that are and the fact is

1780
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:02,829
that Jane was the resident archaeologist

1781
01:12:08,069 --> 01:12:05,530
Antipas of the it Smithsonian Institute

1782
01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:08,079
has never done an excavation in her life

1783
01:12:12,689 --> 01:12:10,630
she has never been to a Mayan - she's

1784
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:12,699
never been to the Mayan site she's never

1785
01:12:17,970 --> 01:12:15,520
talked to a Mayan elder she just goes

1786
01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:17,980
about one testing she sees a little left

1787
01:12:22,290 --> 01:12:19,630
on microscope and therefore they're all

1788
01:12:24,060 --> 01:12:22,300
holding so those of you your people that

1789
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:24,070
want to stand by her bring them on

1790
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:26,320
because this woman is intellectually and

1791
01:12:30,660 --> 01:12:28,449
academically dishonor and we're quoting

1792
01:12:32,580 --> 01:12:30,670
you on that absolutely none before this

1793
01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:32,590
already I'm George Noory on to coast to

1794
01:12:36,419 --> 01:12:34,510
coast and on all these shows dubbed a

1795
01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:36,429
friend and imprint saying that and our

1796
01:12:40,589 --> 01:12:38,739
challenge her any time to come test max

1797
01:12:42,660 --> 01:12:40,599
with me improve the methods muddy cards

1798
01:12:45,060 --> 01:12:42,670
have you physically contacted her and

1799
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:45,070
said okay let's put your claims to the

1800
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:45,520
test

1801
01:12:49,950 --> 01:12:47,770
no I just cold around in public and on

1802
01:12:51,930 --> 01:12:49,960
the radio why not contact her why don't

1803
01:12:54,270 --> 01:12:51,940
say okay you know I've been challenging

1804
01:12:56,010 --> 01:12:54,280
you you're not responding let's have the

1805
01:12:57,569 --> 01:12:56,020
challenge let's put it to the test

1806
01:12:59,129 --> 01:12:57,579
let's see what you can do and I'll show

1807
01:13:00,959 --> 01:12:59,139
you what I could do well you're talking

1808
01:13:02,669 --> 01:13:00,969
about an honest intellectually

1809
01:13:03,390 --> 01:13:02,679
scientific debate which doesn't exist

1810
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:03,400
with these people

1811
01:13:07,530 --> 01:13:05,679
she would not recognize my she would not

1812
01:13:09,149 --> 01:13:07,540
recognize my credentials and she would

1813
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:09,159
refuse to think for I know the answers

1814
01:13:12,510 --> 01:13:10,810
before him you know what just for the

1815
01:13:14,879 --> 01:13:12,520
heck of it how about trying and let us

1816
01:13:16,589 --> 01:13:14,889
know in the para cast if she ignores you

1817
01:13:18,510 --> 01:13:16,599
fine if she says I'm not gonna do it

1818
01:13:20,399 --> 01:13:18,520
fine but why not contact her

1819
01:13:21,930 --> 01:13:20,409
identical boy gene I'll try that Chris

1820
01:13:22,830 --> 01:13:21,940
okay usually here's another question

1821
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:22,840
that I had

1822
01:13:28,530 --> 01:13:25,360
max I had a personal experience with max

1823
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,540
that I cannot explain I was taken to

1824
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:30,880
task on the pair of cows for him for

1825
01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:33,520
mentioning on Joshua Shapiro episode i

1826
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:35,800
sat with it in and it's a very

1827
01:13:39,450 --> 01:13:37,630
interesting skull because it's dark on

1828
01:13:41,820 --> 01:13:39,460
half of it and the other side is is

1829
01:13:46,649 --> 01:13:41,830
quite clear and jemmye and i think max

1830
01:13:49,589 --> 01:13:46,659
is changed I first saw max in 1989 today

1831
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:49,599
in 2011 there is a whole side of Max's

1832
01:13:54,930 --> 01:13:52,690
jaw which is clear which was a cloudy 20

1833
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:54,940
years ago which shows that the crystal

1834
01:13:59,370 --> 01:13:57,250
is interacting we say with human mind

1835
01:14:01,800 --> 01:13:59,380
interacting with something the crystal

1836
01:14:03,870 --> 01:14:01,810
is changing max is also getting citrine

1837
01:14:06,060 --> 01:14:03,880
he's getting yellow in one side of his

1838
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:06,070
face which was now hidden wow I didn't

1839
01:14:10,589 --> 01:14:08,530
know that I I witnessed something inside

1840
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:10,599
of it that was some very unusual light

1841
01:14:14,970 --> 01:14:12,310
refractions and I got the distinct

1842
01:14:17,070 --> 01:14:14,980
impression was like a TV set was trying

1843
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:17,080
to turn on inside the the matrix of the

1844
01:14:22,530 --> 01:14:19,810
skull which I found very surprising and

1845
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:22,540
of course mentioning that on the Joshua

1846
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:30,250
episode I am the one who turned Joshua

1847
01:14:35,129 --> 01:14:33,280
Shapiro on to Crystal's go period 1982

1848
01:14:37,169 --> 01:14:35,139
he was at the rambling person going

1849
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:37,179
around San Jose California he came we

1850
01:14:41,939 --> 01:14:39,449
had a booth friend of mine in a San Jose

1851
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:41,949
Renaissance Fair we had crystal skull

1852
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:43,330
pictures that's the first time he ever

1853
01:14:48,990 --> 01:14:46,570
saw 1983 I introduced him to the

1854
01:14:51,450 --> 01:14:49,000
amethyst crystal skull I am the one who

1855
01:14:53,250 --> 01:14:51,460
showed Joshua Shapiro his first crystal

1856
01:14:54,990 --> 01:14:53,260
skull I am the one who turned him on to

1857
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:55,000
all of that let's be clear Joshua

1858
01:14:59,250 --> 01:14:57,010
Shapiro is not a scientist he's got an

1859
01:15:00,990 --> 01:14:59,260
archaeologist he is just a journalist

1860
01:15:03,149 --> 01:15:01,000
that's how he approaches these subjects

1861
01:15:05,399 --> 01:15:03,159
not as a scientist I first came to this

1862
01:15:07,709 --> 01:15:05,409
subject as a scientist but because I am

1863
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:07,719
a mystic and a scientist I could walk in

1864
01:15:11,820 --> 01:15:09,489
both field so does Nick no sir you know

1865
01:15:13,050 --> 01:15:11,830
started Marcel Vogel it's the only way

1866
01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:13,060
to understand these things so people

1867
01:15:16,890 --> 01:15:15,070
want to remain skeptical want to hear

1868
01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:16,900
you tell a story like that I can give

1869
01:15:21,089 --> 01:15:19,150
you literally thousands of stories of

1870
01:15:22,919 --> 01:15:21,099
people who claim miraculous healings for

1871
01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:22,929
max who've seen incredible things who've

1872
01:15:26,700 --> 01:15:25,239
got information who have got an

1873
01:15:28,770 --> 01:15:26,710
information about themselves personally

1874
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:28,780
that's enhanced their lives Joanne

1875
01:15:32,939 --> 01:15:30,730
Parsons will be writing her home book on

1876
01:15:34,370 --> 01:15:32,949
this documenting literally thousands of

1877
01:15:36,350 --> 01:15:34,380
human

1878
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:36,360
two more of this Steven in a moment

1879
01:15:40,610 --> 01:15:38,580
Steven mailer joins us Krista Brian's

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Stephen Mailer talking about scientific

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research and crystal skulls I'm Jean

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Steinberg Chris O'Brien is the co-host

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ER in the para cast okay so let's look

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at that as far as you're concerned

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Joshua Shapiro as a journalist do you

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think maybe he comes to conclusions too

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readily without supporting evidence

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what's your opinion he's not grounded in

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his research that's why again I'm not

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I'm not here to try to put somebody down

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but it's not like we just want honest

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criticism the information is not as

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clean as it could be okay oh that was a

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good way of putting it okay here's a

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question that that I have about Joanna

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Parks and Max now there has been a claim

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made that she has absolutely taken max

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off the table in terms of any potential

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scientific testing is this true would

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she be willing if the conditions were

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correct and the in the proper protocols

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were in place which he would she be

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willing to allow testing of Max to look

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for gene marks and that sort of

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absolutely in fact we took part in in a

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in a television documentary in 2008 from

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NBC flew me to New York flew her in New

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York brought me out to Brooklyn College

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Department of Anthropology

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for two and a half hours they videoed me

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working with max showing how as an

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archaeologist to look at how to test it

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how to examine how you can see the back

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to the ancient and unfortunately NBC

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turned the project over to the sci-fi

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channel and they used less of than five

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seconds of me in the final part have to

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do this looking for an imaginary skull

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in Mexico that never exists so I mean

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that's that's our code but yes to answer

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your question let me bring this in

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Wharfside 1996 now invited to come to

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the British Museum Nick no siree no

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brought Shannara Joanne parks usually

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never leaves the country went to London

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with Max they had the British Museum

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scope they had the skull that's known as

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the Smithsonian's go forty pound house

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go big skull smoke a very cloudy course

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Jane Walsh was there but she did not do

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the testing the testing was done by a

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woman who was the head of the British

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Museum's testing laboratory they

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came back with results they said the

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British deep rich museum skull was

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modern carp they said that the

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Smithsonian skull was modern carved they

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had some other skull there with a disco

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it said it was car there then when it

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came to Max and Shawn are out who they

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tested scientifically they had no

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comment now wait a minute

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first of all when Nick Bostrom you know

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brought the skull over he had a signed

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contract with the British Museum that

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they would get a copy of all testing all

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reports that was never provided so when

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they asked why are they no comment they

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had no comment now wait a minute when

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you test something scientifically if you

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get a result you don't either it my

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ancient or it's not ancient no comment

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is not a scientific response later

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wonderful no comment about your no

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comment as it isn't either was

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inaccurate they claimed the testing was

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not good they couldn't get a fight they

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couldn't get a clear scientific test

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that's nonsense

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what they got was the proof that the

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skulls were ancient it was against their

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academic paradigms they could not be

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honest and give an honest answer and

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then Jane Wolf's took those resolve

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years later to say that Max and Shawn

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arrived tested out as being modern

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there's no such test result again you're

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not talking about people who are being

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scientifically honest to you well this

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was a real point of contention on this

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volumous thread on the podcast forum and

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it boy it got a little hot and happy

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there in terms of people supporting one

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side of the story versus the other well

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you know when we look at these artifacts

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what is it about the skull motif that

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seems to draw people in do we have any

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other artifacts of this size and in

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scale obviously if these are ain't some

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of these skulls are ancient it took

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decades generations to carve them

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probably do we have any other types of

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artifacts that are on par with with

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these skulls okay

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the question is in why the sheriff is

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important served a significant ok first

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of all it is only in our modern mindset

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I eat judeo-christian Islamic philosophy

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that we look at the skull as a symbol of

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death something to be feared and sure

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enough that is a normal response most

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people

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who see a crystal skull annika

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exhibition if they are a strong

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Christian or Jewish or strong Muslim

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background immediately their River

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pulsed it debits evil that's not how the

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ancient people not how to Maya that the

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Olmec no ancient people look at first of

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all they didn't fear death they saw

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death as a continuation and he didn't

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they saw a skull as a symbol of eternity

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now another example would be if we're

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saying that the crystal skulls or

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computers could store information well

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what other organ in our body do we know

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that stores information the brain where

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is the brain how in the scope simple but

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then this car would be a simple

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something that we could identify with

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something that is memory but the ancient

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people the skull represented eternity

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infinity represented an alchemy we call

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the fixed salt that which does not

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dissolve now here's something you may

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not be aware but when a body

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disintegrates it's usually the skull and

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the long bones that take the longest

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time to disintegrate are the hardest

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stone are the hardest mineral in our

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body why do we find skulls of course

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this fossil why can't we find a 3.8

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million year old skull cap of a

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predominant human but we can't find the

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rest of the body if you know the ribs

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and all that it's got very rarely do we

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find a full skeleton in impaler

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archaeology but the skull and the long

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bone when we cremate a body and they put

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it under that tremendous heat usually

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the skull in the Longboat even at a

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thousand degrees Fahrenheit does not

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totally melt what they do when they give

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you cremains the cremated remains of

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someone they have pulverized they have

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taken at your border and pencil and

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pulverized the skull and the long bones

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so that you get pure powder so a skull

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can represent eternity to the Maya the

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Olmec so the Crystal Skull is supposed

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to represent if any just parent fillers

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we ask you a quick question here before

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Chris picks up on it and then is okay so

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01:26:30,060 --> 01:26:27,289
we have the skull shaped in this fashion

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01:26:32,979 --> 01:26:30,070
we have this built as a skull shaped

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01:26:34,779 --> 01:26:32,989
object does it have to be a skull can it

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01:26:37,959 --> 01:26:34,789
be a hand can it be a foot can it be a

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circle yes you have to be a dad to be a

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01:26:42,189 --> 01:26:40,429
functional talisman to be an operational

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tool again it could be just a crystal

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01:26:47,649 --> 01:26:45,050
ball with no shape or just a piece of

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rock crystal but there is something that

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happened Dean

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we carve again we say the difference in

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the ancients goes is the intent of the

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Carver so we're saying that these

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ancient skills were carved by master

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shamans male or female usually with a

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school with students being involved and

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that person puts their intent into the

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scope they are creating an object not to

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be sold it's not commercial it is a

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talisman it is something to interact

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with human mind to be used for healing

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01:27:22,930 --> 01:27:19,550
okay but that means then they didn't

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build skulls or crystalline structures

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in other shapes with the same precision

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is that correct right they predominantly

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look at the skull shape yes what we're

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looking at is I mean they called crystal

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01:27:36,220 --> 01:27:33,800
into many different forms you have

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crystal goblets you have crystal statues

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but it seems obvious to you a point the

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main shamanistic talisman they wanted to

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create was a skull all we have a zero

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tradition to support this and we have we

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have one other piece Chris the Miami

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close-up the Mayan glyph which is just

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the upper jaw is alchemical 0 it means

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infinity was actually a number but if

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the number was irrelevant I mean it's

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what we call infinity out chemical 0

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your mind glyph for infinity is the

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upper jaw focus call hmm interesting I

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didn't know that well how about how

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about other animal forms I know that

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Jaguar was a revered animal and the meso

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cultures especially around Central

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America and the highlands do we have any

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sort of animal forms that have been that

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are are are as impressive as you know in

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terms of these gorgeous artifacts that

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some of the skulls are do we have any

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examples of I can actually send you that

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01:28:36,220 --> 01:28:33,890
we took photographs of these of this

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cache that this Francisco Reyes board

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and they actually have a a Cobra out of

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jade they they would do a Jaguars that

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have Jade again for the Maya and Olmec

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if it had a special significance as if I

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was not a ritual object they would use

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it as chain even more crystal was for

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the skulls really to really work with

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them as information divides record

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keepers for healing but when they had a

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special object it would be Jade and

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I can reveal something here to you and

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your audience it's not out to the public

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01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:10,630
yet there has been found in the Yucatan

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a jade head it is known it is actually a

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01:29:19,170 --> 01:29:17,020
mica my own head and of jade and with it

2220
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it has been on the secret for now

2221
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they're now coming out with a full-size

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Jade crystals go okay so this is a

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01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:25,450
crystal skull made of jade and I guess

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01:29:30,150 --> 01:29:27,490
the big question will be does it seem to

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have the same properties as quartz and

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this is going to be a complicated

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question that has to wait until we do

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our break Steven Mayer joins us I'm gene

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Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the co-host

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you're in the para cast

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the question on the table the Jade

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crystal skull Steven mailer is going to

2346
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explain this to us some gene Steinberg

2347
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the para cast so does Jade have the same

2349
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properties as quartz no it has its own

2350
01:34:32,839 --> 01:34:30,030
properties specific property Jade can be

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worked it's believed to raise energies

2352
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:35,310
rate psychic vibrations the the Mayans

2353
01:34:40,580 --> 01:34:37,530
definitely used Jade objects when they

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did their ritual psychoactive plants to

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go into transit to go into other world

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01:34:47,060 --> 01:34:45,119
or the dimension so no the answer is

2357
01:34:48,260 --> 01:34:47,070
quartz has its own particular properties

2358
01:34:50,300 --> 01:34:48,270
white quartz was chosen

2359
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Jade would have in particular properties

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why it would be chosen for rituals from

2361
01:34:57,500 --> 01:34:54,599
a traumatic object but they definitely

2362
01:34:59,300 --> 01:34:57,510
valued Jade and I believe again the real

2363
01:35:00,890 --> 01:34:59,310
masters of Jade carving with the Olmec

2364
01:35:02,750 --> 01:35:00,900
who taught the Maya one thing that that

2365
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:02,760
I'd like to know and this is for some of

2366
01:35:06,979 --> 01:35:04,770
the more skeptical types out there now

2367
01:35:11,780 --> 01:35:06,989
you mentioned that early on you

2368
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conducted quite a number of herbs I'm

2369
01:35:15,609 --> 01:35:13,650
not sure what the term would be but

2370
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refereed sort of sessions with

2371
01:35:23,629 --> 01:35:18,090
sensitives and others has any of these

2372
01:35:26,660 --> 01:35:23,639
results been published anywhere yes it's

2373
01:35:28,220 --> 01:35:26,670
actually in two books I official reports

2374
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:28,230
for the Rosicrucian Oda those reports

2375
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:31,770
were basically summarized in the book

2376
01:35:35,810 --> 01:35:33,690
called mysteries and crystal skulls

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revealed with Joshua were arranged to

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get together with Nick no Sereno and

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Nick's fine students and Ruffo and that

2380
01:35:44,089 --> 01:35:41,760
book is basically out of print it was

2381
01:35:46,189 --> 01:35:44,099
one of came out 1988 mysteries of

2382
01:35:48,169 --> 01:35:46,199
crystal skull reveal but since then I've

2383
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co-written a book with our friend and

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colleague David had two children

2385
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:52,020
it's called Chris well crystal skulls

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astonishing portals to man's past

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Adventures unlimited press 2008

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I have half the book David and half the

2389
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book it might have the book I summarize

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all the research I did it was pushing

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research now

2392
01:36:08,990 --> 01:36:05,730
okay well that's it I think that's

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that's important because the whole idea

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the whole linking between the scientific

2395
01:36:17,980 --> 01:36:14,340
side of this this whole mystery and and

2396
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the the psychometric side or the the

2397
01:36:22,430 --> 01:36:20,580
intuitive side of this I think this is

2398
01:36:24,500 --> 01:36:22,440
this is the ground where your skeptics

2399
01:36:27,500 --> 01:36:24,510
are going to have the most difficulty

2400
01:36:29,540 --> 01:36:27,510
accepting this type of information at

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face value and so I think it's important

2402
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:34,140
that that these results were refereed

2403
01:36:37,850 --> 01:36:36,330
and you know these tests were refereed

2404
01:36:39,290 --> 01:36:37,860
and these results actually have been

2405
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published I think that's important for

2406
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people to know and what we can do is we

2407
01:36:48,380 --> 01:36:45,570
can refer people on to other types of

2408
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:48,390
scientific results if you feel that

2409
01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:52,080
there's you know these these tests were

2410
01:36:59,780 --> 01:36:55,110
warranted and and deserve to be given

2411
01:37:02,480 --> 01:36:59,790
notice they're two prominent researchers

2412
01:37:04,670 --> 01:37:02,490
in the field dr. Marcel Vogel obviously

2413
01:37:06,980 --> 01:37:04,680
PhD in chemistry Nick knows Tim you know

2414
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:06,990
got the first master's degree teaching

2415
01:37:10,340 --> 01:37:08,400
credential in parapsychology in

2416
01:37:12,500 --> 01:37:10,350
California these are two gentlemen who

2417
01:37:14,540 --> 01:37:12,510
were scientifically oriented who also

2418
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:14,550
were mystics and metaphysical meth

2419
01:37:18,710 --> 01:37:17,130
that's my basis so yes there has to be

2420
01:37:21,460 --> 01:37:18,720
the scientific grounding there somewhere

2421
01:37:23,660 --> 01:37:21,470
and they can't just be all off the wall

2422
01:37:26,030 --> 01:37:23,670
well and you also have to have

2423
01:37:29,180 --> 01:37:26,040
scientists that are not intellectually

2424
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:29,190
dishonest about their exposure to these

2425
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:32,130
very enigmatic artifacts and and you

2426
01:37:35,870 --> 01:37:33,690
know I mean at the very least produced

2427
01:37:39,470 --> 01:37:35,880
the results of testing that you know is

2428
01:37:43,220 --> 01:37:39,480
being done I mean that is that's smoking

2429
01:37:45,620 --> 01:37:43,230
gun evidence that when Joanne Parks

2430
01:37:48,140 --> 01:37:45,630
publishes her book she will have

2431
01:37:51,610 --> 01:37:48,150
hundreds of testimonies from doctors

2432
01:37:55,580 --> 01:37:51,620
chiropractors metallurgist

2433
01:37:57,500 --> 01:37:55,590
archaeologists a physicist chemist etc

2434
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:57,510
so yeah that's gonna be included we're

2435
01:38:01,070 --> 01:37:59,040
gonna have that eventually the

2436
01:38:02,750 --> 01:38:01,080
scientific tests away from scientists so

2437
01:38:04,580 --> 01:38:02,760
again the were open-minded who have

2438
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:04,590
looked at this object and again I would

2439
01:38:07,700 --> 01:38:05,850
just like to bring someone same point

2440
01:38:09,530 --> 01:38:07,710
out about your skeptics I would

2441
01:38:11,090 --> 01:38:09,540
challenge any skeptic to come to me

2442
01:38:12,500 --> 01:38:11,100
who's actually witnessed discover

2443
01:38:14,090 --> 01:38:12,510
there's a difference for people who are

2444
01:38:16,130 --> 01:38:14,100
being skeptical while standing in

2445
01:38:16,959 --> 01:38:16,140
sitting in their armchairs reading

2446
01:38:20,330 --> 01:38:16,969
literate

2447
01:38:21,589 --> 01:38:20,340
comment I would I use the host Joanne

2448
01:38:23,299 --> 01:38:21,599
parks I've been with many people you

2449
01:38:26,209 --> 01:38:23,309
know they go around with the scope I've

2450
01:38:27,739 --> 01:38:26,219
had many many people who've come to see

2451
01:38:29,929 --> 01:38:27,749
a Christmas covered I have witnessed

2452
01:38:31,909 --> 01:38:29,939
more very skeptical this is nonsense

2453
01:38:33,979 --> 01:38:31,919
it's really gluey its new-age garbage

2454
01:38:36,949 --> 01:38:33,989
many men who were dragged by their wives

2455
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:36,959
I have not seen one person who did not

2456
01:38:41,330 --> 01:38:39,360
feel something even people say I'm not

2457
01:38:42,919 --> 01:38:41,340
sensitive I don't get anything if go

2458
01:38:44,810 --> 01:38:42,929
down sit with this girl would you feel

2459
01:38:46,219 --> 01:38:44,820
yes just putting my hand on this color

2460
01:38:48,109 --> 01:38:46,229
so this thing would I thought this

2461
01:38:50,060 --> 01:38:48,119
electricity everybody feels something

2462
01:38:53,359 --> 01:38:50,070
and I could tell you the overwhelming

2463
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:53,369
people who I think I witnessed come to

2464
01:38:57,739 --> 01:38:55,199
see your crystals go who come as

2465
01:39:00,109 --> 01:38:57,749
skeptics have left at some degree of

2466
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:00,119
believer when they leave so the majority

2467
01:39:05,029 --> 01:39:02,610
of skeptics that you were looking at who

2468
01:39:07,370 --> 01:39:05,039
are really adamant in refusing to accept

2469
01:39:10,129 --> 01:39:07,380
anything have never witnessed or

2470
01:39:12,049 --> 01:39:10,139
experienced or crystal yun that's that's

2471
01:39:14,270 --> 01:39:12,059
a good point now this brings up the

2472
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:14,280
whole subject of power objects and I

2473
01:39:19,009 --> 01:39:16,320
think you've kind of hinted at this

2474
01:39:21,949 --> 01:39:19,019
through the first part of our show here

2475
01:39:24,139 --> 01:39:21,959
that that these objects especially

2476
01:39:26,299 --> 01:39:24,149
obviously I'm referring to the ones that

2477
01:39:29,899 --> 01:39:26,309
are potentially ancient these objects

2478
01:39:33,889 --> 01:39:29,909
were handled with reverence there seems

2479
01:39:36,739 --> 01:39:33,899
to be some sort of potential programming

2480
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:36,749
of these skulls as into power objects

2481
01:39:43,969 --> 01:39:40,050
and and if let's say the science that

2482
01:39:46,969 --> 01:39:43,979
you are referring to in terms of the the

2483
01:39:49,069 --> 01:39:46,979
point what's it called a defect in it

2484
01:39:52,330 --> 01:39:49,079
that's able to store knowledge the vogel

2485
01:39:55,699 --> 01:39:52,340
came up with this this whole concept

2486
01:39:58,429 --> 01:39:55,709
quartz obviously has it if this is real

2487
01:40:01,370 --> 01:39:58,439
it has more of a potential to be

2488
01:40:04,209 --> 01:40:01,380
programmed as a power object so let's

2489
01:40:07,069 --> 01:40:04,219
let's discuss the the programming

2490
01:40:10,069 --> 01:40:07,079
potential program of the power object

2491
01:40:11,929 --> 01:40:10,079
sure well it's different from other

2492
01:40:13,729 --> 01:40:11,939
objects right somebody could be

2493
01:40:14,929 --> 01:40:13,739
classified as positive because what is

2494
01:40:18,679 --> 01:40:14,939
negative let's face it some of these

2495
01:40:21,259 --> 01:40:18,689
objects were abused why we had initially

2496
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:21,269
a lot of people had problems with the

2497
01:40:24,889 --> 01:40:22,649
first color I talked about the Mayan

2498
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:24,899
crystal skull a lot of people got scared

2499
01:40:29,089 --> 01:40:27,119
a lot of people saw I felt violence and

2500
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:29,099
anger as we found out again this is

2501
01:40:32,450 --> 01:40:30,570
anecdotal story but

2502
01:40:34,910 --> 01:40:32,460
again the oral tradition came down that

2503
01:40:37,819 --> 01:40:34,920
this particular scope had been used by

2504
01:40:40,459 --> 01:40:37,829
the Toltecs when the Toltecs conquered

2505
01:40:43,310 --> 01:40:40,469
the Maya in the Yucatan they instituted

2506
01:40:45,379 --> 01:40:43,320
large sacrifice of you can opening the

2507
01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:45,389
heart it is what we then people would

2508
01:40:48,979 --> 01:40:47,520
see seems that actually when that chest

2509
01:40:51,319 --> 01:40:48,989
cavity was cut open with an obsidian

2510
01:40:53,359 --> 01:40:51,329
knife and the heart taken out this

2511
01:40:55,729 --> 01:40:53,369
particular Crystal Skull was put in the

2512
01:40:57,950 --> 01:40:55,739
heart cavity so maybe it was seen that

2513
01:40:59,899 --> 01:40:57,960
they were helping the person pass over

2514
01:41:02,240 --> 01:40:59,909
to the other side but the trauma the

2515
01:41:03,649 --> 01:41:02,250
violence would go into the crystal so

2516
01:41:06,020 --> 01:41:03,659
people would expect that some of the

2517
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:06,030
skulls carried that some didn't so I

2518
01:41:10,669 --> 01:41:07,650
mean the skulls were used for all

2519
01:41:12,290 --> 01:41:10,679
possible things now the ancient skulls a

2520
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:12,300
lot of us felt from these powerful

2521
01:41:16,220 --> 01:41:14,610
shaman were from healing schools so the

2522
01:41:18,649 --> 01:41:16,230
crystals were gonna be used to heal and

2523
01:41:20,930 --> 01:41:18,659
how they were used in healing if as I

2524
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:20,940
mentioned to help someone pass over to

2525
01:41:24,500 --> 01:41:23,010
the other side now in our society we

2526
01:41:26,660 --> 01:41:24,510
don't think about that but if people

2527
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:26,670
could be fairly interviewed or know if

2528
01:41:30,260 --> 01:41:28,560
dannion brinkley this is what he does

2529
01:41:32,510 --> 01:41:30,270
for a living Danube wrinkly almost died

2530
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:32,520
three times what he does now for a

2531
01:41:35,660 --> 01:41:34,170
living is he helps people pass over

2532
01:41:37,370 --> 01:41:35,670
peacefully with dignity

2533
01:41:39,020 --> 01:41:37,380
well the crystal skulls were used that

2534
01:41:40,399 --> 01:41:39,030
way we don't necessarily think that's a

2535
01:41:41,540 --> 01:41:40,409
good thing but there are people who

2536
01:41:43,370 --> 01:41:41,550
don't think there's any such thing as

2537
01:41:43,850 --> 01:41:43,380
death that you just go into one form to

2538
01:41:45,500 --> 01:41:43,860
another

2539
01:41:47,569 --> 01:41:45,510
then the Christmas go enables you to

2540
01:41:49,819 --> 01:41:47,579
move to that transition it also did

2541
01:41:51,620 --> 01:41:49,829
healings so there were and to store

2542
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:51,630
information and knowledge for previous

2543
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:53,760
people to work as powerful shamanic

2544
01:41:58,729 --> 01:41:56,250
ritual objects to meditate with to do

2545
01:42:00,680 --> 01:41:58,739
standing rituals to raise the vibrations

2546
01:42:03,290 --> 01:42:00,690
of the people all positive things and

2547
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:03,300
yes used for negative things in later

2548
01:42:08,990 --> 01:42:05,730
times used as war objects as use the

2549
01:42:10,459 --> 01:42:09,000
objects to again for ritual sacrifice so

2550
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:10,469
a lot of all these things get recorded

2551
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:12,000
we have seen these in the difference

2552
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,250
golf or the different ways they were use

2553
01:42:18,290 --> 01:42:16,560
are recorded in their what we would say

2554
01:42:20,030 --> 01:42:18,300
with the Mayan crystal skull the people

2555
01:42:21,740 --> 01:42:20,040
sometimes they would get this bad

2556
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:21,750
feelings and that we think you mean you

2557
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:23,280
stop you break off or you don't want to

2558
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:24,719
deal with or you're just trying to

2559
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:26,610
concentrate to go deeper that there were

2560
01:42:30,649 --> 01:42:28,489
deeper things beyond that surface

2561
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:30,659
negativity vibration but some of the

2562
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:33,030
skulls like Einstein who I just saw like

2563
01:42:37,580 --> 01:42:36,210
max like Shana I would never use for

2564
01:42:39,709 --> 01:42:37,590
negative and there's no negative energy

2565
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:39,719
has ever come out of them some of the

2566
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:41,489
skulls it was told to us by the Mayan

2567
01:42:46,700 --> 01:42:44,370
priests a seal was put on by the coat

2568
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:46,710
a ritual seal that it could be used for

2569
01:42:50,630 --> 01:42:48,810
negative me that's possible but again

2570
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:50,640
the objects we use with a positive and

2571
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:52,290
negative depending on the culture the

2572
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:54,000
civilization to a level of awareness of

2573
01:42:58,490 --> 01:42:55,770
the people who had them you have to be

2574
01:42:59,420 --> 01:42:58,500
been used for black magic do that well

2575
01:43:01,310 --> 01:42:59,430
you mentioned that there have been

2576
01:43:04,010 --> 01:43:01,320
healings associated with some of these

2577
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:04,020
skulls is there any documentation on

2578
01:43:09,020 --> 01:43:07,050
this I mean I know I seem to remember

2579
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:09,030
from your book with David that you had

2580
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:10,770
mentioned a couple of cases in there but

2581
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:12,810
when it for our listeners sake why don't

2582
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:14,610
you talk about some of the more

2583
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:17,010
celebrated examples of potential

2584
01:43:23,690 --> 01:43:21,090
healings well again do animal parts will

2585
01:43:27,380 --> 01:43:23,700
be more into specific documentation but

2586
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:27,390
she shows an example of the gentleman

2587
01:43:31,490 --> 01:43:29,130
who had had back surgery before he came

2588
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:31,500
to see max he stood over max somebody

2589
01:43:35,930 --> 01:43:34,110
took a photograph in the photograph he

2590
01:43:37,550 --> 01:43:35,940
could actually see a double you see mats

2591
01:43:40,010 --> 01:43:37,560
and then you see ax right next to it

2592
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:40,020
almost an etheric in like yellow light

2593
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:42,090
obviously in the photograph but nobody

2594
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:45,210
witnessed it in real showed his home

2595
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:47,040
vertebral column and max showed him

2596
01:43:50,930 --> 01:43:48,570
where he was gonna work on his back and

2597
01:43:52,610 --> 01:43:50,940
doing this man then recorded the months

2598
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:52,620
later than fans know back problems at

2599
01:43:56,510 --> 01:43:54,810
all and he attributed totally to his

2600
01:43:58,670 --> 01:43:56,520
sessions with that again Joanne will

2601
01:44:00,440 --> 01:43:58,680
document it a lot of this goes before

2602
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:00,450
after there's gonna be a lot of befores

2603
01:44:04,490 --> 01:44:03,210
a lot of afters of Nick no siree no was

2604
01:44:06,530 --> 01:44:04,500
essentially going to be writing his own

2605
01:44:09,380 --> 01:44:06,540
book documenting the healing t digital

2606
01:44:10,610 --> 01:44:09,390
disco I don't have specifics because I

2607
01:44:13,250 --> 01:44:10,620
don't have an ancient skull that I've

2608
01:44:15,260 --> 01:44:13,260
work with to activity a specific case

2609
01:44:17,390 --> 01:44:15,270
but I know there are documented cases

2610
01:44:18,890 --> 01:44:17,400
and they will be recorded you know one

2611
01:44:21,860 --> 01:44:18,900
thing Steven I'm going to want to ask

2612
01:44:24,830 --> 01:44:21,870
you about the documentation and how we

2613
01:44:26,270 --> 01:44:24,840
could basically find the Providence for

2614
01:44:27,260 --> 01:44:26,280
that documentation then you'll see what

2615
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,270
I mean want to get to the next segment

2616
01:44:32,180 --> 01:44:29,760
Steven Mayer joins us the subject on the

2617
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:32,190
table is crystal skulls and maybe Jade

2618
01:44:36,380 --> 01:44:34,410
skulls and other sorts of things become

2619
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:36,390
Lewis's Chris O'Brien I'm Jean Steinberg

2620
01:44:41,300 --> 01:44:39,690
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2634
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2638
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2641
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2642
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:53,050
winding down the final hour of our

2643
01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:55,850
crystal Jade other kind of skull

2644
01:45:59,770 --> 01:45:57,770
discussion with a Stephen mailer I'm

2645
01:46:02,260 --> 01:45:59,780
Jean Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the

2646
01:46:03,970 --> 01:46:02,270
co-host you're in the power cast so

2647
01:46:06,879 --> 01:46:03,980
here's the thing when you say somebody

2648
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:06,889
has been cured of some kind of ailment

2649
01:46:12,370 --> 01:46:09,110
they come in there and they have a

2650
01:46:14,169 --> 01:46:12,380
problem and they're treated by the

2651
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,179
Crystal Skull whatever and they don't

2652
01:46:18,729 --> 01:46:16,639
have the problem the question is did you

2653
01:46:20,500 --> 01:46:18,739
have a doctor look at the person before

2654
01:46:23,020 --> 01:46:20,510
they go in saying you've got this

2655
01:46:25,959 --> 01:46:23,030
condition and the doctor checked them

2656
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:25,969
after being treated to see if they still

2657
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:28,130
have the condition that's interesting

2658
01:46:33,609 --> 01:46:30,650
and that that's a very very rigorous

2659
01:46:36,129 --> 01:46:33,619
question I don't know if it exactly been

2660
01:46:37,870 --> 01:46:36,139
documented as you say but I know that

2661
01:46:40,209 --> 01:46:37,880
they've been chiropractors and there

2662
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:40,219
have been MDS who've been involved with

2663
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:41,570
some of the healings look mats who will

2664
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:43,449
testify to that whether they've actually

2665
01:46:48,129 --> 01:46:45,920
been one of their patients who they've

2666
01:46:49,540 --> 01:46:48,139
sent to max for treatment where they

2667
01:46:52,260 --> 01:46:49,550
could document a before and after I

2668
01:46:57,430 --> 01:46:52,270
can't be sure but wouldn't that be an

2669
01:46:58,959 --> 01:46:57,440
even-steven sure but I'm saying this is

2670
01:47:00,399 --> 01:46:58,969
something you'd think after all these

2671
01:47:01,570 --> 01:47:00,409
years somebody would have tested you

2672
01:47:03,939 --> 01:47:01,580
know this person has cancer

2673
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:03,949
he goes in there he's in remission this

2674
01:47:07,780 --> 01:47:05,570
person has a bad back

2675
01:47:10,359 --> 01:47:07,790
some kind of spinal cord injury or just

2676
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:10,369
dislocated discs or something we go in

2677
01:47:15,220 --> 01:47:13,130
there and the chiropractor the medical

2678
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:15,230
doctor says you know what they're cured

2679
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:17,570
because it's not just I feel better

2680
01:47:22,180 --> 01:47:19,250
because somebody's back ailments

2681
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:22,190
specifically can be partly psychological

2682
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:24,170
you're making a good point but

2683
01:47:28,060 --> 01:47:26,570
understand that the people who would be

2684
01:47:29,830 --> 01:47:28,070
involved with doing anything with

2685
01:47:32,140 --> 01:47:29,840
crystal skulls would not be your

2686
01:47:33,879 --> 01:47:32,150
conventional allopathic physician the

2687
01:47:35,530 --> 01:47:33,889
people who would be involved with Joanne

2688
01:47:38,220 --> 01:47:35,540
with healings would be chiropractors

2689
01:47:41,260 --> 01:47:38,230
would we naturopath would be on me event

2690
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:41,270
contractors they use x-rays they do some

2691
01:47:47,169 --> 01:47:44,810
kind of physical Diagnostics follow up

2692
01:47:49,660 --> 01:47:47,179
with this and have Joanne parks on ask

2693
01:47:51,879 --> 01:47:49,670
her to specific specifically mention

2694
01:47:53,740 --> 01:47:51,889
chiropractors who will be doing this who

2695
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:53,750
are we doing before-and-afters so that's

2696
01:47:58,600 --> 01:47:55,730
being done with max I know that there

2697
01:48:00,250 --> 01:47:58,610
are chiropractors not md's particularly

2698
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:00,260
unless their alternatives but naturopath

2699
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:01,210
homeopathy

2700
01:48:05,130 --> 01:48:02,800
chiropractors who've been working with

2701
01:48:06,780 --> 01:48:05,140
Joanne who can document before and after

2702
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:06,790
so she would be the one to talk to

2703
01:48:10,740 --> 01:48:09,250
specifically back now I wouldn't thank

2704
01:48:12,420 --> 01:48:10,750
you chiropractors because I've been

2705
01:48:14,130 --> 01:48:12,430
treated by chiropractors over the years

2706
01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:14,140
and the back problems that were very

2707
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:16,630
involved and the doctors wanted to put

2708
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:18,489
me in traction for the chiropractor's

2709
01:48:24,900 --> 01:48:22,090
pretty much cured Chris you mentioned us

2710
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:24,910
on a couple of occasions here Einstein

2711
01:48:30,090 --> 01:48:27,280
which is the latest of these potentially

2712
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:30,100
ancient skulls it has surfaced won't you

2713
01:48:33,390 --> 01:48:31,810
give us a little background on on the

2714
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:33,400
Einstein story how you found out about

2715
01:48:37,470 --> 01:48:35,650
it what we know about the skull and and

2716
01:48:41,010 --> 01:48:37,480
describe it for us because the pictures

2717
01:48:42,750 --> 01:48:41,020
you showed me were quite amazing III and

2718
01:48:44,910 --> 01:48:42,760
the size of the thing is even more

2719
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:44,920
amazing so why don't you give us a quick

2720
01:48:48,209 --> 01:48:46,960
and it's a good potential for you to see

2721
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:48,219
it in person because if they're in

2722
01:48:52,020 --> 01:48:50,560
Sedona Arizona well I just got involved

2723
01:48:53,850 --> 01:48:52,030
and this of course when we can lead up

2724
01:48:56,670 --> 01:48:53,860
to a commercial I just got involved in a

2725
01:48:58,830 --> 01:48:56,680
major crystal skull conference 10-10-10

2726
01:49:00,660 --> 01:48:58,840
in New York City put on by a man named

2727
01:49:03,870 --> 01:49:00,670
Kendall ray Morgan

2728
01:49:05,130 --> 01:49:03,880
the website is WWF coast on

2729
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:05,140
productions.com

2730
01:49:10,020 --> 01:49:07,840
or crystal skull events that calm the

2731
01:49:12,209 --> 01:49:10,030
oracle stone productions calm there's

2732
01:49:14,130 --> 01:49:12,219
going to be one in LA eleven eleven

2733
01:49:16,979 --> 01:49:14,140
eleven it was the greatest gathering of

2734
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:16,989
ancient modern skulls at the time there

2735
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,730
was there were least a dozen ancient

2736
01:49:23,310 --> 01:49:20,560
skulls and hundreds of contemporary

2737
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:23,320
scope it was advertised one of the hooks

2738
01:49:27,900 --> 01:49:25,090
for this conference was there was going

2739
01:49:29,310 --> 01:49:27,910
to be unveiling of a mystery skull one

2740
01:49:31,860 --> 01:49:29,320
that has never been made public before

2741
01:49:32,970 --> 01:49:31,870
well being in the know like I am and I

2742
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:32,980
was the keynote speaker for the

2743
01:49:38,100 --> 01:49:36,010
conference I was told beforehand that it

2744
01:49:40,620 --> 01:49:38,110
was a skull called bang bang that I'd

2745
01:49:43,229 --> 01:49:40,630
heard about vaguely but never knew much

2746
01:49:44,190 --> 01:49:43,239
detail about I heard about Einstein from

2747
01:49:46,020 --> 01:49:44,200
MIT know Serena

2748
01:49:47,970 --> 01:49:46,030
over the years he would say things to me

2749
01:49:49,770 --> 01:49:47,980
like the crystal skulls as this and that

2750
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:49,780
but then there's Einstein was a special

2751
01:49:53,250 --> 01:49:51,280
case or you would say something there's

2752
01:49:54,690 --> 01:49:53,260
Einstein and it's special and I would

2753
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:54,700
wait for more information he was never

2754
01:49:58,260 --> 01:49:56,410
provided well as it turned out

2755
01:50:00,810 --> 01:49:58,270
Einstein is owned by a woman named

2756
01:50:02,940 --> 01:50:00,820
Carolyn ford she first obtained it in

2757
01:50:06,630 --> 01:50:02,950
1990 had Nick knows from you know come

2758
01:50:09,420 --> 01:50:06,640
see it tested and authenticated in 1991

2759
01:50:10,830 --> 01:50:09,430
but she kept it from the public she did

2760
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:10,840
not want to make it public did that do

2761
01:50:14,729 --> 01:50:13,810
anything about it for 20 years they

2762
01:50:16,229 --> 01:50:14,739
reveal unveil

2763
01:50:20,390 --> 01:50:16,239
Einstein was going to be in New York

2764
01:50:23,069 --> 01:50:20,400
City at the attend 10:10 conference on

2765
01:50:24,989 --> 01:50:23,079
October 10 and then she was at the

2766
01:50:26,939 --> 01:50:24,999
conference and revealed I'd say I got to

2767
01:50:29,459 --> 01:50:26,949
see the skull very interested me

2768
01:50:31,140 --> 01:50:29,469
reminded me very much of the exact first

2769
01:50:32,879 --> 01:50:31,150
skull I talked about to you guys the

2770
01:50:34,589 --> 01:50:32,889
Mayan crystal skull looked like a larger

2771
01:50:35,129 --> 01:50:34,599
version but it was the biggest thing I'd

2772
01:50:37,799 --> 01:50:35,139
ever seen

2773
01:50:40,109 --> 01:50:37,809
thirty mean of ancient course now we've

2774
01:50:41,729 --> 01:50:40,119
seen big contemporary skull I mentioned

2775
01:50:44,339 --> 01:50:41,739
that that Smithsonian had a 40-pound

2776
01:50:46,259 --> 01:50:44,349
Hollis go I've seen an 80-pound

2777
01:50:48,509 --> 01:50:46,269
contemporary sculptures piece of course

2778
01:50:50,459 --> 01:50:48,519
but contemporary who've never heard of

2779
01:50:52,620 --> 01:50:50,469
an ancient skull that big well as it

2780
01:50:54,660 --> 01:50:52,630
turns out Nick had seen it he documented

2781
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:54,670
it documented it the largest ancient

2782
01:50:58,200 --> 01:50:56,320
scholar that came out and I must mention

2783
01:51:01,500 --> 01:50:58,210
that Nick no Sereno in his life I've

2784
01:51:03,330 --> 01:51:01,510
documented as many as 15 to 18 skull

2785
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:03,340
which he classified as being ancient

2786
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:04,960
carved as it's called over a thousand

2787
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:06,489
years ago that's where people say

2788
01:51:10,979 --> 01:51:08,530
there's only 13 original spoke notice

2789
01:51:12,989 --> 01:51:10,989
sets of 13 there's way more than 13 I've

2790
01:51:15,810 --> 01:51:12,999
seen as many as 9 that I would say with

2791
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:15,820
genuine ancient art so I got friendly

2792
01:51:20,939 --> 01:51:18,730
with Carolyn forgot her husband Ron they

2793
01:51:23,370 --> 01:51:20,949
live in Sedona Arizona they invited me

2794
01:51:25,799 --> 01:51:23,380
to come see I'm Stein work with my

2795
01:51:27,870 --> 01:51:25,809
infant testify so and to make that story

2796
01:51:30,450 --> 01:51:27,880
short we came there at March that's what

2797
01:51:32,970 --> 01:51:30,460
we saw Chris stayed with David had two

2798
01:51:35,759 --> 01:51:32,980
children at wex West in Camp Verde and

2799
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:35,769
spent two days with Einstein I came up

2800
01:51:41,069 --> 01:51:37,840
with all sorts of magnifying glasses a

2801
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:41,079
high-power flashlight and laser light to

2802
01:51:45,239 --> 01:51:43,210
do scientific testing I tested that

2803
01:51:47,009 --> 01:51:45,249
still looked at the crystal looked at

2804
01:51:48,839 --> 01:51:47,019
every possible aspect of that spell

2805
01:51:50,399 --> 01:51:48,849
clearly it was not bilaterally

2806
01:51:52,169 --> 01:51:50,409
symmetrical one side is definitely

2807
01:51:54,149 --> 01:51:52,179
different than the other they were cut

2808
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:54,159
marks there were pock marks it was not

2809
01:51:59,040 --> 01:51:56,320
polished by machine it was carved by

2810
01:52:01,799 --> 01:51:59,050
hand there is no doubt that that spells

2811
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:01,809
ancient artifact and it is just a giant

2812
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:04,090
version of the Mayan crystal skull which

2813
01:52:09,060 --> 01:52:06,489
led me to believe that Einstein was the

2814
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:09,070
master so that other skulls were carved

2815
01:52:13,770 --> 01:52:11,679
from what we have a theory of that was a

2816
01:52:17,189 --> 01:52:13,780
basis of some of these lectures at their

2817
01:52:20,250 --> 01:52:17,199
skulls were used in sets of 1312 skulls

2818
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:20,260
around a master scope in the 13th it has

2819
01:52:24,270 --> 01:52:22,239
to do with the number 13 sacred to the

2820
01:52:26,729 --> 01:52:24,280
Maya why did Jesus have twelve disciples

2821
01:52:28,450 --> 01:52:26,739
plus himself it's a number of Osiris has

2822
01:52:30,970 --> 01:52:28,460
to do with regeneration I could go

2823
01:52:33,820 --> 01:52:30,980
about the number 13 is not unlucky that

2824
01:52:35,979 --> 01:52:33,830
just happened in October 13 1307 Black

2825
01:52:37,450 --> 01:52:35,989
Friday when the Catholic Church and the

2826
01:52:39,459 --> 01:52:37,460
King of France declared war on a Knights

2827
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:39,469
Templars that's the old basis of Black

2828
01:52:44,830 --> 01:52:43,010
Friday the 13th in the 1313 is a sacred

2829
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:44,840
number to the Maya as you well know and

2830
01:52:49,810 --> 01:52:46,489
it was sacred and the use of crystal

2831
01:52:52,540 --> 01:52:49,820
skulls 13 so I got clear vision that I'm

2832
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:52,550
saying with a master skull that a shaman

2833
01:52:56,890 --> 01:52:54,770
had given an assignment to his students

2834
01:52:58,990 --> 01:52:56,900
to make clothes go as copies and the

2835
01:53:01,150 --> 01:52:59,000
Mayan crystal skull when I first saw in

2836
01:53:03,070 --> 01:53:01,160
1980 was one of Einstein's children

2837
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:03,080
science I need a master spell a master

2838
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:05,330
recorder tremendous carving to see this

2839
01:53:10,450 --> 01:53:07,610
you have to see by in the jaw is shoot

2840
01:53:11,979 --> 01:53:10,460
amazingly thick and clear the rest of

2841
01:53:13,959 --> 01:53:11,989
the sky was cloudy it's great for

2842
01:53:15,670 --> 01:53:13,969
scrying you can see scenes in it it's

2843
01:53:17,290 --> 01:53:15,680
great just I common tree immediately

2844
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:17,300
Mick knows from you know came to me and

2845
01:53:20,709 --> 01:53:19,520
I don't care who's judging or value what

2846
01:53:22,270 --> 01:53:20,719
I'm saying you know at all you

2847
01:53:24,100 --> 01:53:22,280
understand I come to the point where

2848
01:53:26,380 --> 01:53:24,110
I've put this out there I really don't

2849
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:26,390
care if there's a skeptic out there that

2850
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:28,250
thinks I'm crazy or not I know an

2851
01:53:31,630 --> 01:53:29,690
experience I'm giving you what I

2852
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:31,640
experienced so I got tremendous work

2853
01:53:35,410 --> 01:53:33,440
with Einstein for working as a scientist

2854
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:35,420
looking at it as an artifact clearly

2855
01:53:39,610 --> 01:53:37,370
discerning that it's hand-carved it was

2856
01:53:41,620 --> 01:53:39,620
not machined it's ancient on the other

2857
01:53:43,450 --> 01:53:41,630
side it's a powerful metaphysical of a

2858
01:53:45,729 --> 01:53:43,460
record keeper that has much memory

2859
01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:45,739
tremendous amount of information and a

2860
01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:47,450
powerful energy device of abuse for

2861
01:53:51,970 --> 01:53:49,489
healing and for helping people to raise

2862
01:53:53,979 --> 01:53:51,980
vibration it is a master scholar genuine

2863
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:53,989
ancient artifact in my opinion carved at

2864
01:53:58,060 --> 01:53:56,210
least five thousand years ago at Lascaux

2865
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:58,070
and older than that well what do we know

2866
01:54:01,180 --> 01:53:59,840
about it how did Ron and Karen come up

2867
01:54:03,850 --> 01:54:01,190
with this thing I mean what do we know

2868
01:54:07,540 --> 01:54:03,860
about it Carolyn Ford was living in LA

2869
01:54:09,220 --> 01:54:07,550
she was a big Bob with the rock band at

2870
01:54:10,690 --> 01:54:09,230
the time she got through just sitting

2871
01:54:12,729 --> 01:54:10,700
Christmas cards just came to her on her

2872
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:12,739
own and she wanted to have a small

2873
01:54:17,110 --> 01:54:14,719
crystal skull just a little one to work

2874
01:54:19,780 --> 01:54:17,120
with she called a friend who had a shop

2875
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:19,790
in Seattle which was from and he said

2876
01:54:23,500 --> 01:54:21,530
you really want a crystal skull she said

2877
01:54:26,050 --> 01:54:23,510
yes did you have to come up here and see

2878
01:54:28,959 --> 01:54:26,060
what I had she flew from LA to Seattle

2879
01:54:31,090 --> 01:54:28,969
went in the store and there was 33

2880
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:31,100
pounds thanks Bernie she fell in love

2881
01:54:33,580 --> 01:54:31,520
with it

2882
01:54:35,500 --> 01:54:33,590
bought it got it story of Einstein again

2883
01:54:37,300 --> 01:54:35,510
the provenance of Providence Einstein

2884
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:37,310
was obtained by this person from an

2885
01:54:42,010 --> 01:54:39,170
estate sale one of the items in the

2886
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:42,020
estate the estate was of an old RPI

2887
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:45,050
just explorer we'd gone to Mexico again

2888
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:47,330
the story the story is that he plundered

2889
01:54:51,190 --> 01:54:49,760
it from a Mayan tomb in the thirty and

2890
01:54:53,380 --> 01:54:51,200
that's how he got answer and it's just

2891
01:54:55,630 --> 01:54:53,390
typical of a lot of the stories except

2892
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:55,640
Shannara before we leave I must say to

2893
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:56,000
you

2894
01:54:59,500 --> 01:54:57,920
we have provenance of genre but it's not

2895
01:55:01,900 --> 01:54:59,510
something Jim boss would recognize why

2896
01:55:04,180 --> 01:55:01,910
myth no Serena was asked to advise

2897
01:55:05,980 --> 01:55:04,190
psychic Levite there's a whole field of

2898
01:55:08,140 --> 01:55:05,990
archaeology we call psychic archaeology

2899
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:08,150
when people who are sensitive go outside

2900
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:09,530
and they may tell you there's something

2901
01:55:13,570 --> 01:55:11,330
it's up to there Nick was a master at

2902
01:55:16,150 --> 01:55:13,580
that he went to our area in the Oaxaca

2903
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:16,160
area in the state of Guerrero he pointed

2904
01:55:20,140 --> 01:55:18,080
to this area said there's a site here he

2905
01:55:22,030 --> 01:55:20,150
told them exactly where to dig what they

2906
01:55:24,610 --> 01:55:22,040
would found they found by an artifact

2907
01:55:25,930 --> 01:55:24,620
and to Crystal Cove we'll get into more

2908
01:55:27,940 --> 01:55:25,940
of that in a moment Steven mailer

2909
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:27,950
joining us on the para cast I'm Jean

2910
01:55:38,620 --> 01:55:30,290
Steinberg because is Chris O'Brien and

2911
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2990
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segments on the power cast with gene and

2991
02:00:23,530 --> 02:00:21,200
Chris you were covering this finding

2992
02:00:26,710 --> 02:00:23,540
Stephen please explain further before I

2993
02:00:28,930 --> 02:00:26,720
get to our listener questions 1995 they

2994
02:00:32,500 --> 02:00:28,940
found a whole series of objects mine

2995
02:00:36,190 --> 02:00:32,510
objects and to crystal scope the they

2996
02:00:37,570 --> 02:00:36,200
were so grateful for Nicholas aiding in

2997
02:00:40,420 --> 02:00:37,580
this exploration they gave him the

2998
02:00:42,850 --> 02:00:40,430
crystal skull again though the reason

2999
02:00:45,010 --> 02:00:42,860
that we know DJ wasn't so so argue

3000
02:00:47,830 --> 02:00:45,020
against it is because this was off the

3001
02:00:50,290 --> 02:00:47,840
books excavation not done by a

3002
02:00:52,360 --> 02:00:50,300
university in Mexico by Prudential

3003
02:00:54,700 --> 02:00:52,370
Mexican archaeologists so therefore it

3004
02:00:57,160 --> 02:00:54,710
is not documented so she can say prove

3005
02:00:58,690 --> 02:00:57,170
it yeah we can't prove it off the books

3006
02:01:00,850 --> 02:00:58,700
writing we're not talking about the

3007
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:00,860
financial aspects to it off the books

3008
02:01:04,510 --> 02:01:02,570
mean you're paid under the table without

3009
02:01:06,520 --> 02:01:04,520
paying taxes it means it's not

3010
02:01:09,130 --> 02:01:06,530
sanctioned by a traditional university

3011
02:01:10,570 --> 02:01:09,140
or research organization and let me tell

3012
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:10,580
you the truth Dean the majority of

3013
02:01:13,570 --> 02:01:12,290
archaeology excavations that have been

3014
02:01:16,210 --> 02:01:13,580
done in the history of the world have

3015
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:16,220
been done that way a majority of things

3016
02:01:20,050 --> 02:01:18,050
taken out of Egypt have been illegal

3017
02:01:21,580 --> 02:01:20,060
excavation the majority of things taken

3018
02:01:23,110 --> 02:01:21,590
out of the Mayan site and Olmec size

3019
02:01:25,900 --> 02:01:23,120
etcetera have been illegal excavations

3020
02:01:28,360 --> 02:01:25,910
of it the percentage of recognized

3021
02:01:29,950 --> 02:01:28,370
credential archeology archaeological

3022
02:01:32,260 --> 02:01:29,960
finds compared to illegal ones is

3023
02:01:33,820 --> 02:01:32,270
miniscule and what did they do they find

3024
02:01:35,260 --> 02:01:33,830
these things they find crystal stone and

3025
02:01:37,210 --> 02:01:35,270
they put them in museums that's not what

3026
02:01:39,430 --> 02:01:37,220
these things were intended for so we've

3027
02:01:41,110 --> 02:01:39,440
I'd rather prefer an illegal excavation

3028
02:01:42,970 --> 02:01:41,120
to find the thing then a legal one

3029
02:01:44,230 --> 02:01:42,980
because they're always gonna do it stick

3030
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:44,240
these things in museums

3031
02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:45,770
they're supposed to be interacted with

3032
02:01:49,540 --> 02:01:47,810
human being sounds like the line from

3033
02:01:52,690 --> 02:01:49,550
one of the Indiana Jones movies where

3034
02:01:55,480 --> 02:01:52,700
Harrison Ford says this belongs in a

3035
02:01:56,650 --> 02:01:55,490
museum and then the response was so do

3036
02:01:59,950 --> 02:01:56,660
you dr. Jones

3037
02:02:07,090 --> 02:01:59,960
that was the beginning this is one with

3038
02:02:08,950 --> 02:02:07,100
Sean Connery it was the best movie let's

3039
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:08,960
get to a couple of listener questions

3040
02:02:14,740 --> 02:02:11,570
from our forum one question from Mike

3041
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:14,750
who's one of our newer posters well

3042
02:02:19,390 --> 02:02:16,130
actually no he's been he's been a member

3043
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:19,400
since January 2008 so he's one of our

3044
02:02:24,820 --> 02:02:22,490
paranormal masters he's interested to

3045
02:02:25,710 --> 02:02:24,830
know in you know how do you date these

3046
02:02:27,990 --> 02:02:25,720
things

3047
02:02:29,700 --> 02:02:28,000
I'll read you his entire question as you

3048
02:02:31,260 --> 02:02:29,710
say the focus will be on what we know

3049
02:02:33,450 --> 02:02:31,270
scientifically so I'm interested in the

3050
02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:33,460
precise nature of the test done what

3051
02:02:38,180 --> 02:02:35,410
instruments are used and the data

3052
02:02:40,290 --> 02:02:38,190
gleaned the expectations results etc and

3053
02:02:43,170 --> 02:02:40,300
specifics on dating seems appropriate

3054
02:02:44,580 --> 02:02:43,180
given the debate thus far and he's

3055
02:02:46,770 --> 02:02:44,590
really interested in the role that

3056
02:02:48,450 --> 02:02:46,780
science will play in this now it's is it

3057
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:48,460
possible to date chords I don't think it

3058
02:02:52,710 --> 02:02:50,290
is is it oh it's an excellent question

3059
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:52,720
he's really approaching what is the

3060
02:02:58,380 --> 02:02:55,570
scientific base no we cannot date court

3061
02:03:00,420 --> 02:02:58,390
actually there was a test developed in

3062
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:00,430
the mid 2000s in Australia

3063
02:03:05,220 --> 02:03:02,890
so perhaps dating the age of quartz

3064
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:05,230
crystal it is debated it has not been

3065
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:07,210
accepted but even if you could date the

3066
02:03:11,220 --> 02:03:09,370
age of the crystal you cannot tell

3067
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:11,230
exactly what it was carved into a scope

3068
02:03:14,550 --> 02:03:13,570
you can't date the crystal that way as

3069
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:14,560
far as carving there's no organic

3070
02:03:18,930 --> 02:03:17,290
material no way to tell so only we can

3071
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:18,940
do is psychometry and all we can do is

3072
02:03:22,530 --> 02:03:20,770
estimate if we know exactly when a

3073
02:03:25,500 --> 02:03:22,540
contemporary scholars card of course we

3074
02:03:27,210 --> 02:03:25,510
know it's carved in 1994 but anything

3075
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:27,220
that's over 100 years old would have

3076
02:03:31,110 --> 02:03:29,530
been by nature speculation unless we

3077
02:03:33,390 --> 02:03:31,120
have documentation if we have

3078
02:03:35,340 --> 02:03:33,400
documentation exactly when the say the

3079
02:03:37,290 --> 02:03:35,350
british museum was carved in the 1880s

3080
02:03:39,180 --> 02:03:37,300
it's believed we would have a carver

3081
02:03:41,220 --> 02:03:39,190
you'd have documentation i carved this

3082
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:41,230
cow signed it off we don't have that

3083
02:03:45,540 --> 02:03:43,090
people who have carved contemporary

3084
02:03:47,610 --> 02:03:45,550
skull or modern skull even in the last

3085
02:03:49,530 --> 02:03:47,620
200 years they didn't exactly attest the

3086
02:03:51,330 --> 02:03:49,540
document of the guy's died with i carved

3087
02:03:53,850 --> 02:03:51,340
this go at this date so and for an

3088
02:03:55,710 --> 02:03:53,860
ancient skull the only way to do it is

3089
02:03:58,140 --> 02:03:55,720
how i said how we look at it as an

3090
02:04:00,120 --> 02:03:58,150
artifact determine if it's machined if

3091
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:00,130
it's bilaterally symmetrical or

3092
02:04:04,020 --> 02:04:02,530
hand-carved if it's hand-carved you're

3093
02:04:06,510 --> 02:04:04,030
going back before the use of the

3094
02:04:08,670 --> 02:04:06,520
so-called wheel in the last 200 years to

3095
02:04:10,140 --> 02:04:08,680
carve crystal so it's over than 200

3096
02:04:12,150 --> 02:04:10,150
years if it's carved by hand

3097
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:12,160
how would say it's ancient again is just

3098
02:04:16,950 --> 02:04:14,530
to the scenes we see just through the

3099
02:04:19,250 --> 02:04:16,960
items into my nick know syria would talk

3100
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:19,260
about seeing ages in the scope actually

3101
02:04:24,690 --> 02:04:22,090
geological ages that can be dated we

3102
02:04:27,270 --> 02:04:24,700
know how many millions of years ago so

3103
02:04:29,340 --> 02:04:27,280
each piece of crystal is millions of

3104
02:04:31,770 --> 02:04:29,350
years old and we ain't all crystals

3105
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:31,780
ancient how its formed it so it has an

3106
02:04:35,010 --> 02:04:33,730
ancient vibration to begin with if it's

3107
02:04:36,870 --> 02:04:35,020
a record deeper and as all these

3108
02:04:39,630 --> 02:04:36,880
memories in it if you access these

3109
02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:39,640
memories but again the answer

3110
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:42,130
science cannot give us a solid answer we

3111
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:44,890
cannot date when a crystal was carved

3112
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:47,050
into a skull with a scientific method

3113
02:04:52,620 --> 02:04:49,690
yet recognized we cannot give specific

3114
02:04:54,450 --> 02:04:52,630
information scientifically when the car

3115
02:04:56,610 --> 02:04:54,460
skulls with carved and when exactly they

3116
02:04:58,440 --> 02:04:56,620
were used for this only becomes to the

3117
02:05:00,330 --> 02:04:58,450
psychometry or through the oral

3118
02:05:02,070 --> 02:05:00,340
tradition the traditions are them handed

3119
02:05:04,140 --> 02:05:02,080
down through the oral wisdom keepers

3120
02:05:06,780 --> 02:05:04,150
which in the case of crystals go through

3121
02:05:10,770 --> 02:05:06,790
the Maya and omec are vast the Maya have

3122
02:05:12,690 --> 02:05:10,780
a fast oral tradition yeah that's true

3123
02:05:13,890 --> 02:05:12,700
they do my brother who lived down there

3124
02:05:16,110 --> 02:05:13,900
for five years

3125
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:16,120
mentioned to me on a number of occasions

3126
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:17,770
the whole subject of crystal skulls

3127
02:05:22,140 --> 02:05:19,290
coming up with some of the local

3128
02:05:24,480 --> 02:05:22,150
keychain Maya I think in the highlands

3129
02:05:26,730 --> 02:05:24,490
especially there's an oral tradition

3130
02:05:27,870 --> 02:05:26,740
there according to my my brother who

3131
02:05:29,750 --> 02:05:27,880
lived there for a number of years now

3132
02:05:33,390 --> 02:05:29,760
we're gonna go on to one of our

3133
02:05:37,140 --> 02:05:33,400
moderators actually who's an open-minded

3134
02:05:38,250 --> 02:05:37,150
healthy skeptic but he is kind of

3135
02:05:40,380 --> 02:05:38,260
cutting to the chase here with his

3136
02:05:43,530 --> 02:05:40,390
question he was embroiled in a couple of

3137
02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:43,540
our our threads here and our the the

3138
02:05:48,090 --> 02:05:45,520
main thread on these skulls and this is

3139
02:05:50,760 --> 02:05:48,100
Angela Joshua was on this is Angelo

3140
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:50,770
corrector who's been a longtime member

3141
02:05:55,290 --> 02:05:53,050
of the forum why is there so much BS

3142
02:05:56,880 --> 02:05:55,300
surrounding the crystal skulls ie the

3143
02:05:59,370 --> 02:05:56,890
lies around the mitchell-hedges skull

3144
02:06:01,470 --> 02:05:59,380
and why has nothing conclusive ever come

3145
02:06:03,570 --> 02:06:01,480
from studying them to my knowledge there

3146
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:03,580
hasn't been double-blind tests done on

3147
02:06:07,530 --> 02:06:05,290
the skulls tests which seem to be simple

3148
02:06:09,690 --> 02:06:07,540
enough to do now we've already kind of

3149
02:06:11,790 --> 02:06:09,700
covered this ground so I just I just

3150
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:11,800
wanted to throw that question out there

3151
02:06:15,960 --> 02:06:13,690
I think that we've almost answered that

3152
02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:15,970
I think his next question though ties

3153
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:17,290
into the first part of his first

3154
02:06:21,420 --> 02:06:19,450
question about the the lies surrounding

3155
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:21,430
some of these skulls and his question is

3156
02:06:25,020 --> 02:06:23,290
do you think the belief in crystal

3157
02:06:31,290 --> 02:06:25,030
skulls is akin to that of religious

3158
02:06:33,900 --> 02:06:31,300
relics why yes well watch the whole New

3159
02:06:36,660 --> 02:06:33,910
Age field I mean it's just a nature of

3160
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:36,670
the modern world that if there is

3161
02:06:41,790 --> 02:06:38,730
anything that can be exploited and

3162
02:06:43,890 --> 02:06:41,800
manipulated it will be so anything that

3163
02:06:46,380 --> 02:06:43,900
comes out of the so-called metaphysical

3164
02:06:49,740 --> 02:06:46,390
or paranormal field that may have any

3165
02:06:53,169 --> 02:06:49,750
validity will be by nature of the system

3166
02:06:56,109 --> 02:06:53,179
exploited and made fun of or true

3167
02:06:57,459 --> 02:06:56,119
so idea of Chibs crystal skulls and all

3168
02:06:59,679 --> 02:06:57,469
the literature has been written about it

3169
02:07:01,629 --> 02:06:59,689
movies even even the Indian Jones Moon

3170
02:07:03,849 --> 02:07:01,639
Jones movie which was great had to bring

3171
02:07:06,309 --> 02:07:03,859
in the ETS everybody has to bring it ETS

3172
02:07:08,829 --> 02:07:06,319
around so it's the nature of the field

3173
02:07:10,989 --> 02:07:08,839
it's not just Crystal Skull anything

3174
02:07:13,389 --> 02:07:10,999
that comes out of my core through age or

3175
02:07:15,489 --> 02:07:13,399
paranormal field that is not part of the

3176
02:07:17,679 --> 02:07:15,499
mainstream way of thinking the normal

3177
02:07:20,679 --> 02:07:17,689
accepted paradigm becomes trivialize

3178
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:20,689
will become explained so I mean and

3179
02:07:24,759 --> 02:07:22,639
because they are the people you've

3180
02:07:26,949 --> 02:07:24,769
mentioned that go around talking about

3181
02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:26,959
Crystal Skull oh basically just come off

3182
02:07:30,189 --> 02:07:28,249
the top of the head and make up anything

3183
02:07:31,929 --> 02:07:30,199
they want that sounds good now that

3184
02:07:33,399 --> 02:07:31,939
makes a name but there are those people

3185
02:07:35,289 --> 02:07:33,409
who go around claim to be Crystal Skull

3186
02:07:37,719 --> 02:07:35,299
experts who don't have a scientific bone

3187
02:07:39,339 --> 02:07:37,729
in their body it's there the point is

3188
02:07:41,739 --> 02:07:39,349
about double-blind tests so you have to

3189
02:07:42,909 --> 02:07:41,749
eat that's not just enough to throw that

3190
02:07:45,279 --> 02:07:42,919
out there playing you'd have to tell me

3191
02:07:47,709 --> 02:07:45,289
what he's talking about I mean we set up

3192
02:07:50,409 --> 02:07:47,719
tests where we had people psychometrist

3193
02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:50,419
work psychometry who were not present at

3194
02:07:54,279 --> 02:07:52,729
anybody else's test said what we're

3195
02:07:55,899 --> 02:07:54,289
gonna use an object that's not a crystal

3196
02:07:57,909 --> 02:07:55,909
skull and test that to see if they came

3197
02:07:59,319 --> 02:07:57,919
up in the famous way that's trivial yeah

3198
02:08:01,169 --> 02:07:59,329
but you know what I'm gonna ask you a

3199
02:08:03,250 --> 02:08:01,179
question here Steven what about

3200
02:08:04,839 --> 02:08:03,260
double-blind meaning they don't know

3201
02:08:06,669 --> 02:08:04,849
it's a crystal skull they don't know

3202
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what it is they may be no object there

3203
02:08:10,389 --> 02:08:08,059
at all they're blindfolded

3204
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do they have to visualize it they can't

3205
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do it blindfolded can but it seems like

3206
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the the optimum effect of working with

3207
02:08:19,979 --> 02:08:17,359
it is to see it - crystal and to touch

3208
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the crystal okay so but you could also

3209
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use different crystals or use a crystal

3210
02:08:26,709 --> 02:08:24,679
you just put together in the laboratory

3211
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a week earlier Steven Mailer is joining

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us the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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it has much more than your old surplus

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investment advisors won't talk about

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1986 yet the financial industry won't

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recognize the value of gold for your

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gold has outperformed paper investments

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to have gold for your retirement call

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3292
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you are listening to the podcast

3293
02:12:59,500 --> 02:12:56,750
what about double-blind tests for

3294
02:13:01,660 --> 02:12:59,510
crystal skulls the question is being

3295
02:13:03,940 --> 02:13:01,670
posed to Steve and Mahler and the power

3296
02:13:06,220 --> 02:13:03,950
cast with gene and Chris so I'm what I'm

3297
02:13:09,730 --> 02:13:06,230
saying here is one of the things about

3298
02:13:12,580 --> 02:13:09,740
double-blind testing is that you try to

3299
02:13:13,390 --> 02:13:12,590
have as many checks and balances as

3300
02:13:15,700 --> 02:13:13,400
possible

3301
02:13:17,860 --> 02:13:15,710
so of course you might have different

3302
02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:17,870
crystal skulls but tell the person well

3303
02:13:22,600 --> 02:13:19,970
they look pretty much the same it's the

3304
02:13:24,790 --> 02:13:22,610
same skull you want to see if they have

3305
02:13:28,990 --> 02:13:24,800
real powers they change from skull the

3306
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:29,000
skull or maybe it's a fake how do you do

3307
02:13:33,100 --> 02:13:31,130
it good point we have done that we have

3308
02:13:36,100 --> 02:13:33,110
done somebody to tell a psychometrist

3309
02:13:38,260 --> 02:13:36,110
they keep temporaries go and then would

3310
02:13:39,790 --> 02:13:38,270
it suppose it ancient skull and tell the

3311
02:13:41,860 --> 02:13:39,800
person there's no difference to it and

3312
02:13:43,120 --> 02:13:41,870
definitely different quality information

3313
02:13:45,430 --> 02:13:43,130
it was channeled out the contemporary

3314
02:13:47,260 --> 02:13:45,440
skull with hardly any memory are the

3315
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:47,270
energies we've seen it if any scenes

3316
02:13:50,230 --> 02:13:48,890
will seen them a modern scene well we

3317
02:13:51,940 --> 02:13:50,240
work with the Chris ancient skull we

3318
02:13:53,170 --> 02:13:51,950
don't tell a person attention when

3319
02:13:56,290 --> 02:13:53,180
they're talking about the Maya but

3320
02:13:58,110 --> 02:13:56,300
ancient Egypt about Rome Greece but you

3321
02:14:00,490 --> 02:13:58,120
can't do it blindfolded

3322
02:14:01,660 --> 02:14:00,500
you can do yes there is because then you

3323
02:14:03,130 --> 02:14:01,670
don't know if there's a skull there at

3324
02:14:04,390 --> 02:14:03,140
all well you know and you don't just

3325
02:14:05,860 --> 02:14:04,400
tell the person who spoke there you

3326
02:14:08,470 --> 02:14:05,870
don't even show this go well you can

3327
02:14:10,090 --> 02:14:08,480
save it as an object fool we have an

3328
02:14:11,170 --> 02:14:10,100
object that's beneath the table under

3329
02:14:12,820 --> 02:14:11,180
you you aren't you're sitting at a table

3330
02:14:15,400 --> 02:14:12,830
there's an object under the floor under

3331
02:14:17,260 --> 02:14:15,410
your table so you can get any idea from

3332
02:14:19,090 --> 02:14:17,270
it you have to blindfold anybody okay

3333
02:14:20,470 --> 02:14:19,100
you can put it in a box and have it

3334
02:14:23,890 --> 02:14:20,480
there I believe them into the room and

3335
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:23,900
say you know let's let's catch it

3336
02:14:28,330 --> 02:14:26,810
depends on the box obsidian box it

3337
02:14:30,370 --> 02:14:28,340
blocks the energy of Christmas go you

3338
02:14:32,140 --> 02:14:30,380
won't get anything you have to be just

3339
02:14:36,190 --> 02:14:32,150
just a cardboard boxes be good enough

3340
02:14:43,000 --> 02:14:36,200
for me just something that you think is

3341
02:14:44,680 --> 02:14:43,010
an object yeah yeah exactly exactly just

3342
02:14:46,420 --> 02:14:44,690
know there's a crystal again Nick no

3343
02:14:48,550 --> 02:14:46,430
Serena was doing this for 50 years

3344
02:14:50,470 --> 02:14:48,560
gentlemen he found that the best way to

3345
02:14:52,180 --> 02:14:50,480
do this scientifically was to have

3346
02:14:52,779 --> 02:14:52,190
people touch this go and forget about

3347
02:14:57,819 --> 02:14:52,789
doing

3348
02:14:59,859 --> 02:14:57,829
object the only way you can test it is

3349
02:15:01,239 --> 02:14:59,869
by psychometry there's no double-blind

3350
02:15:03,429 --> 02:15:01,249
involved well they can judge you with a

3351
02:15:05,349 --> 02:15:03,439
blindfold on maybe they're not given a

3352
02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:05,359
full opportunity to feel around at this

3353
02:15:12,969 --> 02:15:10,729
check its shape well I think it's the

3354
02:15:15,159 --> 02:15:12,979
point is here is that you want to have

3355
02:15:16,599 --> 02:15:15,169
as many checks and balances as possible

3356
02:15:18,099 --> 02:15:16,609
so the person who doesn't believe in

3357
02:15:19,929 --> 02:15:18,109
especially the traditional scientific

3358
02:15:21,939 --> 02:15:19,939
community that's gonna say it's all on

3359
02:15:23,439 --> 02:15:21,949
nonsense well the more evidence you

3360
02:15:25,979 --> 02:15:23,449
throw in their laps that they can't

3361
02:15:28,359 --> 02:15:25,989
dispute the easier it's gonna be to

3362
02:15:29,949 --> 02:15:28,369
gradually accept this thing Chris you

3363
02:15:31,449 --> 02:15:29,959
have more questions well I think we

3364
02:15:32,739 --> 02:15:31,459
pretty much answered most of the

3365
02:15:34,270 --> 02:15:32,749
questions that were posed I think

3366
02:15:36,099 --> 02:15:34,280
Stephens done a really good job of

3367
02:15:38,979 --> 02:15:36,109
taking us to the next level and studying

3368
02:15:41,020 --> 02:15:38,989
this very enigmatic mystery one question

3369
02:15:44,739 --> 02:15:41,030
that I have though is in the last few

3370
02:15:46,359 --> 02:15:44,749
years I've seen an uptick in kind of

3371
02:15:49,449 --> 02:15:46,369
noise surrounding the whole Crystal

3372
02:15:52,539 --> 02:15:49,459
Skull mystery and that is that that

3373
02:15:54,339 --> 02:15:52,549
these are either ancient ancient

3374
02:15:56,379 --> 02:15:54,349
artifacts and could be thousands and

3375
02:15:59,589 --> 02:15:56,389
thousands of years old and I I've heard

3376
02:16:02,020 --> 02:15:59,599
the word Atlantis or Lemuria bannard

3377
02:16:04,179 --> 02:16:02,030
about and then also you have this whole

3378
02:16:06,819 --> 02:16:04,189
kind of emerging belief system that some

3379
02:16:10,349 --> 02:16:06,829
of these objects are actually derived

3380
02:16:12,759 --> 02:16:10,359
from ETS or given to humans by

3381
02:16:15,159 --> 02:16:12,769
extraterrestrials or that they somehow

3382
02:16:17,979 --> 02:16:15,169
are involved with some sort of

3383
02:16:20,379 --> 02:16:17,989
extraterrestrial agenda do we have any

3384
02:16:22,179 --> 02:16:20,389
sort of I mean I know the obvious answer

3385
02:16:24,009 --> 02:16:22,189
to this but do we have any information

3386
02:16:25,539 --> 02:16:24,019
that would back this up or is this just

3387
02:16:28,479 --> 02:16:25,549
a lot of wishful thinking on the part of

3388
02:16:29,199 --> 02:16:28,489
true believers well first of all I'm

3389
02:16:31,119 --> 02:16:29,209
surprised

3390
02:16:34,179 --> 02:16:31,129
neither one of you asked me the question

3391
02:16:35,679 --> 02:16:34,189
about the Mayan in 2012 you gotta be

3392
02:16:36,879 --> 02:16:35,689
either one if you ask me what did the

3393
02:16:39,339 --> 02:16:36,889
Mayans say about them

3394
02:16:40,509 --> 02:16:39,349
the Mayans Don Alejandro in particular

3395
02:16:42,929 --> 02:16:40,519
all the Mayans that were at our

3396
02:16:45,790 --> 02:16:42,939
conference it'll be at our conference in

3397
02:16:47,889 --> 02:16:45,800
November are saying that the cows are

3398
02:16:50,620 --> 02:16:47,899
coming back for this reason that the end

3399
02:16:53,229 --> 02:16:50,630
of the 2012 calendar is not the end of

3400
02:16:55,209 --> 02:16:53,239
time it is not the end of humanity it's

3401
02:16:56,439 --> 02:16:55,219
not destruction they're talking about

3402
02:16:58,359 --> 02:16:56,449
the end of a cycle the end of

3403
02:17:00,549 --> 02:16:58,369
consciousness they believe that all the

3404
02:17:03,549 --> 02:17:00,559
shamanic objects crystal skulls are

3405
02:17:05,439 --> 02:17:03,559
coming surfacing now to aid human beings

3406
02:17:06,969 --> 02:17:05,449
in this shift of consciousness this is

3407
02:17:08,649 --> 02:17:06,979
the meaning why these Mayans

3408
02:17:10,209 --> 02:17:08,659
are coming to our conferences you're

3409
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:10,219
talking about the time for the tribes to

3410
02:17:15,009 --> 02:17:13,010
wake up come together now and share all

3411
02:17:17,259 --> 02:17:15,019
these objects that can help us with our

3412
02:17:19,359 --> 02:17:17,269
consciousness growth yes there are those

3413
02:17:21,309 --> 02:17:19,369
that say I mean there are those I am NOT

3414
02:17:23,290 --> 02:17:21,319
as we you and I discussed when we were

3415
02:17:25,870 --> 02:17:23,300
in person I am NOT one of the so-called

3416
02:17:28,479 --> 02:17:25,880
ancient aliens crowd I'm not wondering

3417
02:17:30,519 --> 02:17:28,489
one who finds an anomaly on our planet

3418
02:17:32,049 --> 02:17:30,529
amazing artifact like the Sphinx like

3419
02:17:33,700 --> 02:17:32,059
the Great Pyramid said all human beings

3420
02:17:35,859 --> 02:17:33,710
could that possibly have done that must

3421
02:17:37,629 --> 02:17:35,869
have been done by alien I believe in

3422
02:17:40,179 --> 02:17:37,639
contact I am a part of an indigenous

3423
02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:40,189
wisdom tradition it says we are star

3424
02:17:43,330 --> 02:17:42,170
seeds will we're not alone you and I

3425
02:17:46,599 --> 02:17:43,340
have talked about that we have different

3426
02:17:49,209 --> 02:17:46,609
opinions on that but this idea to take

3427
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:49,219
away our power to take away our history

3428
02:17:53,830 --> 02:17:51,920
are our legacy by saying all the things

3429
02:17:55,389 --> 02:17:53,840
we could have done that so aliens must

3430
02:17:57,790 --> 02:17:55,399
have done it nonsense

3431
02:18:00,160 --> 02:17:57,800
I say these crystal skulls were carved

3432
02:18:02,019 --> 02:18:00,170
by ancient peoples highly advanced I

3433
02:18:04,269 --> 02:18:02,029
mean spiritually highly technologically

3434
02:18:06,370 --> 02:18:04,279
bit I think a lot of the skulls I've

3435
02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:06,380
talked about like max like Shauna Rob

3436
02:18:12,189 --> 02:18:08,569
perhaps Einstein were carved by the

3437
02:18:13,089 --> 02:18:12,199
Olmecs half 10,000 years ago okay so if

3438
02:18:15,429 --> 02:18:13,099
they're carved by an ancient

3439
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:15,439
civilization what happened to the

3440
02:18:19,870 --> 02:18:18,170
ancient civilization now when I raise

3441
02:18:22,929 --> 02:18:19,880
this bear in mind that look at our

3442
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:22,939
civilization I say if it all disappeared

3443
02:18:27,129 --> 02:18:25,130
tomorrow a couple of thousand years down

3444
02:18:29,769 --> 02:18:27,139
the pike there wouldn't be much left of

3445
02:18:31,839 --> 02:18:29,779
it to research exactly and that's the

3446
02:18:33,669 --> 02:18:31,849
point of the whole meaning of why we

3447
02:18:35,559 --> 02:18:33,679
talked about cycle same thing my

3448
02:18:37,450 --> 02:18:35,569
Egyptian teacher talked about same thing

3449
02:18:39,549 --> 02:18:37,460
I heard from Don Alejandro and the Mayan

3450
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:39,559
elders nothing moves in it there's how

3451
02:18:44,169 --> 02:18:42,170
idea of Darwinian linear evolution is

3452
02:18:46,209 --> 02:18:44,179
one paradigm that needs to be flushed

3453
02:18:48,359 --> 02:18:46,219
down the toilet nothing moves in a

3454
02:18:49,989 --> 02:18:48,369
straight line everything moves in cycles

3455
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:49,999
civilizations have risen and fallen

3456
02:18:54,059 --> 02:18:52,010
visiting forward risen and fallen

3457
02:18:56,620 --> 02:18:54,069
we don't have physiological

3458
02:18:58,509 --> 02:18:56,630
archaeological evidence of civilization

3459
02:18:59,799 --> 02:18:58,519
but in fact the Michael Cremo and the

3460
02:19:02,229 --> 02:18:59,809
Vedas they talk about soon as they

3461
02:19:04,679 --> 02:19:02,239
should be millions of years old okay we

3462
02:19:07,089 --> 02:19:04,689
saying this we have no eminence and

3463
02:19:09,519 --> 02:19:07,099
especially on these civilizations did

3464
02:19:11,859 --> 02:19:09,529
not disappear they just went the same

3465
02:19:13,419 --> 02:19:11,869
thing we say the Sphinx was car 54

3466
02:19:15,489 --> 02:19:13,429
thousand years ago where are the people

3467
02:19:16,509 --> 02:19:15,499
that carved it they went just went to

3468
02:19:18,370 --> 02:19:16,519
cycles he's like the highest

3469
02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:18,380
civilization to most civilization we're

3470
02:19:22,729 --> 02:19:20,489
coming back out of the

3471
02:19:25,160 --> 02:19:22,739
and okay so what happened did they have

3472
02:19:26,479 --> 02:19:25,170
some kind of nuclear war what happened

3473
02:19:28,429 --> 02:19:26,489
to they leave this planet because of

3474
02:19:30,259 --> 02:19:28,439
changed conditions I just think they

3475
02:19:32,479 --> 02:19:30,269
outstrip the environment it's believed I

3476
02:19:33,950 --> 02:19:32,489
have some of them I just outstrip their

3477
02:19:34,429 --> 02:19:33,960
natural environment man to leave this

3478
02:19:36,229 --> 02:19:34,439
city

3479
02:19:38,120 --> 02:19:36,239
the Olmecs disappear we don't know why

3480
02:19:40,339 --> 02:19:38,130
they disappear they transform into the

3481
02:19:46,400 --> 02:19:40,349
Maya it's just the cycle okay so

3482
02:19:47,719 --> 02:19:46,410
therefore maybe calendar this excuse me

3483
02:19:50,330 --> 02:19:47,729
Stephen trying to get a question and a

3484
02:19:52,490 --> 02:19:50,340
choice here okay so maybe and we're just

3485
02:19:54,740 --> 02:19:52,500
theorizing here okay we have the ancient

3486
02:19:56,689 --> 02:19:54,750
civilization 40,000 years ago conditions

3487
02:19:59,599 --> 02:19:56,699
get bad here the environments going to

3488
02:20:01,969 --> 02:19:59,609
hell okay so they say you know what we

3489
02:20:04,610 --> 02:20:01,979
have space travel let's go to Zeta

3490
02:20:06,349 --> 02:20:04,620
Reticuli and spend our time there and

3491
02:20:08,360 --> 02:20:06,359
maybe a couple of thousand years or

3492
02:20:09,260 --> 02:20:08,370
40,000 years later we'll come back and

3493
02:20:11,630 --> 02:20:09,270
see what's going on

3494
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so V T exists maybe et is our

3495
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predecessor quite possible my point is

3496
02:20:19,460 --> 02:20:17,550
if the idea that human is the norm so a

3497
02:20:21,139 --> 02:20:19,470
eventually it does come down and it's on

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all the cameras on all the televisions

3499
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as a live meeting when they come out of

3500
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the ship they're gonna look like a leave

3501
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them leave them they uh I mean that's

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really where they don't want people to

3503
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be Michael Rennie and The Day the Earth

3504
02:20:43,700 --> 02:20:40,020
Stood Still that was a great lay you

3505
02:20:45,710 --> 02:20:43,710
know I have to say this in retrospect if

3506
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you're going to look at they the Earth

3507
02:20:52,250 --> 02:20:48,840
Stood Still do not watch the canneries

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version right it's just a bad movie go

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and rent or stream from Netflix or

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whatever the original of The Day the

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Earth Stood Still directed by Robert

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Weiss who also directed The Sound of

3513
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Music Star Trek the motion picture and

3514
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actually believed in UFOs very great

3515
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that's right let me just you the

3516
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synchronicity then we'll go break for

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the next final portion the synchronicity

3518
02:21:25,880 --> 02:21:21,720
about the Day the Earth Stood Still

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remember we're a Klaatu is shot down by

3520
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the military seeking him out near Dupont

3521
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Circle in Washington DC very close to

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where they located the headquarters

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national investigation committee on

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aerial phenomena nightcap

3525
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I'm serious folks not too many years

3526
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after that movie you see NICAP located

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just across from Dupont Circle stone's

3528
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throw away very close to where in the

3529
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movie at least they shot down Michael

3530
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Rennie before he resurrected the

3531
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spaceship so they're just a coincidence

3532
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Jean you shouldn't read anything into

3533
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that just a coincidence I'm not reading

3534
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anything into it I think if you wanted

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cheap office space they happen to find

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the right ship office space because Mike

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have never had any money so they had to

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find something so nobody said because I

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think I'm on the only one who ever was

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crazy enough to point this out over the

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years nobody suggested it was a scene in

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a popular science fiction movie Stephen

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mailer joins us I'm Jean Steinberg the

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3651
02:27:02,091 --> 02:26:58,771
okay so from movies to crystal skulls to

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3655
02:27:13,220 --> 02:27:10,710
Steinberg you're in the para cast with

3656
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Chris O'Brien is the co-host Chris you

3657
02:27:17,180 --> 02:27:15,091
have some final questions to bring it on

3658
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:17,190
home well yeah I think and it's

3659
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:19,530
important that uh that we do talk about

3660
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the Maya you know in context with our

3661
02:27:26,720 --> 02:27:25,771
conversation with Stephen today and and

3662
02:27:29,511 --> 02:27:26,730
see when you brought up a good point

3663
02:27:31,610 --> 02:27:29,521
that the Maya the Maya are saying now

3664
02:27:34,640 --> 02:27:31,620
the modern Maya that that some of these

3665
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power objects and these these trance

3666
02:27:38,751 --> 02:27:37,021
these instruments of transformation if

3667
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you will for lack of a better term are

3668
02:27:44,211 --> 02:27:41,971
coming out and are somehow going to play

3669
02:27:46,640 --> 02:27:44,221
some sort of role or part in this coming

3670
02:27:48,291 --> 02:27:46,650
time period that we're right actually

3671
02:27:50,870 --> 02:27:48,301
kind of in the middle of right now and

3672
02:27:53,360 --> 02:27:50,880
that is the end of three cycles of three

3673
02:27:55,910 --> 02:27:53,370
different Mayan calendars I think we're

3674
02:27:58,310 --> 02:27:55,920
going into what 14 Ajo I think would be

3675
02:28:00,680 --> 02:27:58,320
in the long count give us a little bit

3676
02:28:03,341 --> 02:28:00,690
more of a sense of what their thinking

3677
02:28:05,751 --> 02:28:03,351
is on this so what role are these

3678
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objects willing to play in this coming

3679
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time period that we're we're now kind of

3680
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going into full steam here well that's

3681
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great because this also goes with the

3682
02:28:18,051 --> 02:28:16,410
one was particularly about my intention

3683
02:28:19,520 --> 02:28:18,061
teacher who predicted a lot of these

3684
02:28:22,041 --> 02:28:19,530
things over ten years ago which are

3685
02:28:24,530 --> 02:28:22,051
happening now the end of the cycle is

3686
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going to be characterized by discovering

3687
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things that that we thought were lost

3688
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and that my teacher King would say

3689
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nothing is ever done Don Alejandro the

3690
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spiritual head is a TJ Maya said the

3691
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exact same thing to me I was fortunate

3692
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enough to have a personal darshan at the

3693
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time at the end of the cycle as we're

3694
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coming to now course is characterized by

3695
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these magnificent spectacular earth

3696
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changes the mother of tsunami the mother

3697
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of earthquakes the mother of volcanoes

3698
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terror but it also is that things are

3699
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uncovered if you look what I do is every

3700
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day I search the net to see if

3701
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archaeological finds going on around the

3702
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world very obscure website sometimes and

3703
02:29:04,430 --> 02:29:02,700
it is I mean they have just found this

3704
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incredible passion of inca tombs

3705
02:29:08,180 --> 02:29:06,330
I mean Mayan sites are being found all

3706
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the time predicted that the power

3707
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objects

3708
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would be found would be uncovered again

3709
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to a human consciousness to aid people

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in the shift so that again I would talk

3711
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to all the Spanish skeptics listening to

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us tonight and if you can I invite you

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to come to the 11-11-11 crystal skull

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conference there will be a t-shirt and

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hotel right near LAX we're gonna have

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gallery of ancient skull a tremendous

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gap in contemporary skulls I defy anyone

3718
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to step in that room and not say they

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cannot feel something that they cannot

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feel the energy that the crystals can

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create the energy is among the people

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the enthusiasm and again we had over 500

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people attend the conference in New York

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City 10 10 10 we got tons of feedback

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from people afterward people say in the

3726
02:29:55,700 --> 02:29:53,100
event changed their life I mean change

3727
02:29:57,860 --> 02:29:55,710
their lives and these things are coming

3728
02:29:59,929 --> 02:29:57,870
together now to raise consciousness to

3729
02:30:02,690 --> 02:29:59,939
make people realize that we're in this

3730
02:30:05,510 --> 02:30:02,700
together we are not an isolated solitary

3731
02:30:06,950 --> 02:30:05,520
species we are a social species human

3732
02:30:09,679 --> 02:30:06,960
beings have accomplished what they have

3733
02:30:11,630 --> 02:30:09,689
by cooperation as opposed to competition

3734
02:30:13,250 --> 02:30:11,640
and so that's what we're coming to now

3735
02:30:15,050 --> 02:30:13,260
that understand that we're a group

3736
02:30:17,420 --> 02:30:15,060
consciousness where human beings were

3737
02:30:19,610 --> 02:30:17,430
all in this together these objects

3738
02:30:21,530 --> 02:30:19,620
crystal skulls whatever people find the

3739
02:30:23,630 --> 02:30:21,540
ancient artifacts owned by the Maya the

3740
02:30:25,850 --> 02:30:23,640
Olmec they help people raise their

3741
02:30:28,370 --> 02:30:25,860
consciousness to become more aware

3742
02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:28,380
that's what the shift is we're going to

3743
02:30:32,690 --> 02:30:29,850
a degree now where we're going to come

3744
02:30:34,429 --> 02:30:32,700
more conscious that's what the Maya say

3745
02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:34,439
it's what the Egyptian said they're all

3746
02:30:37,310 --> 02:30:35,610
saying the same thing

3747
02:30:40,070 --> 02:30:37,320
so all these objects are being uncovered

3748
02:30:42,139 --> 02:30:40,080
now again artifact tombs coming all

3749
02:30:44,600 --> 02:30:42,149
around the world we're finding ancient

3750
02:30:46,340 --> 02:30:44,610
artifact that it did use to help people

3751
02:30:49,850 --> 02:30:46,350
with the shift in consciousness

3752
02:30:53,210 --> 02:30:49,860
that's what December 21st 2012 represent

3753
02:30:55,190 --> 02:30:53,220
not the end of the world and of a cycle

3754
02:30:57,469 --> 02:30:55,200
the next cycle in higher consciousness

3755
02:30:59,389 --> 02:30:57,479
I'm tired of hearing all that end of the

3756
02:31:02,420 --> 02:30:59,399
world talk relating to the Mayan

3757
02:31:04,580 --> 02:31:02,430
calendar I happen to see a documentary

3758
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:04,590
on ancient civilizations on the History

3759
02:31:08,900 --> 02:31:06,570
Channel a number of years ago and they

3760
02:31:11,360 --> 02:31:08,910
made the outrageous claim that the Maya

3761
02:31:15,020 --> 02:31:11,370
were an extinct people who disappeared

3762
02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:15,030
in the 13 and 1400s not realizing that

3763
02:31:19,460 --> 02:31:16,970
the Maya the largest group of indigenous

3764
02:31:21,020 --> 02:31:19,470
Americans is like four or five I think

3765
02:31:24,620 --> 02:31:21,030
million Maya

3766
02:31:26,570 --> 02:31:24,630
right that so the hubris right but they

3767
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:26,580
are waiting there was an interesting is

3768
02:31:29,540 --> 02:31:28,170
this four to five million people are

3769
02:31:30,920 --> 02:31:29,550
listening to their elders like Don

3770
02:31:33,260 --> 02:31:30,930
Alejandro like on bucksmom

3771
02:31:35,660 --> 02:31:33,270
like Don Pedro we're telling them now

3772
02:31:37,310 --> 02:31:35,670
it's time to reclaim your city reclaim

3773
02:31:39,470 --> 02:31:37,320
your rituals we now have the power

3774
02:31:41,360 --> 02:31:39,480
objects again to get them you know left

3775
02:31:43,340 --> 02:31:41,370
a little bit of the Spanish Catholicism

3776
02:31:45,020 --> 02:31:43,350
start to wear away let's go back to our

3777
02:31:46,970 --> 02:31:45,030
ancient healings let's go back to our

3778
02:31:49,010 --> 02:31:46,980
ancient way and that's beautiful because

3779
02:31:50,450 --> 02:31:49,020
a lot of the Mayan youth now it's only

3780
02:31:52,390 --> 02:31:50,460
getting inculcated for the oldest

3781
02:31:55,250 --> 02:31:52,400
they'll get back to learning your place

3782
02:31:57,230 --> 02:31:55,260
well do you think the Maya may have some

3783
02:32:00,950 --> 02:31:57,240
crystal skulls that they haven't allowed

3784
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:00,960
public knowledge of and that without a

3785
02:32:06,440 --> 02:32:03,930
doubt like I said we just had a mind a

3786
02:32:08,270 --> 02:32:06,450
Jade crystal skull surface that's been

3787
02:32:10,070 --> 02:32:08,280
hiding in the Yucatan for millennia

3788
02:32:11,090 --> 02:32:10,080
there's other crystals cause the my into

3789
02:32:12,920 --> 02:32:11,100
bringing up they're claiming they're

3790
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:12,930
into that have to see them attach them

3791
02:32:17,390 --> 02:32:14,730
some of them aren't I mean some of them

3792
02:32:19,370 --> 02:32:17,400
are modern but yes I answer the question

3793
02:32:20,450 --> 02:32:19,380
they definitely have artifacts that

3794
02:32:22,910 --> 02:32:20,460
they've been holding back that they're

3795
02:32:26,060 --> 02:32:22,920
bringing out now well you mentioned

3796
02:32:29,840 --> 02:32:26,070
something very enigmatic when we talked

3797
02:32:31,990 --> 02:32:29,850
the earlier this spring about a crystal

3798
02:32:34,850 --> 02:32:32,000
skull that you asked me not to mention

3799
02:32:37,310 --> 02:32:34,860
about and I'm wondering is it has there

3800
02:32:40,790 --> 02:32:37,320
been any developments on this particular

3801
02:32:44,510 --> 02:32:40,800
front Israel you can talk about yet that

3802
02:32:46,250 --> 02:32:44,520
is it is the a Jade crystal skull the

3803
02:32:48,530 --> 02:32:46,260
largest artifact that we've known if you

3804
02:32:50,390 --> 02:32:48,540
can google this there is a Jade head

3805
02:32:52,160 --> 02:32:50,400
actually the head of a Maya which came

3806
02:32:54,650 --> 02:32:52,170
out of one of the tombs incredible it

3807
02:32:56,510 --> 02:32:54,660
must be 10 10 12 pounds of jade it is

3808
02:33:00,020 --> 02:32:56,520
one of the sacred artifacts in one of

3809
02:33:02,600 --> 02:33:00,030
the museums in the Yucatan it is now

3810
02:33:04,880 --> 02:33:02,610
this crystal skull has come out which is

3811
02:33:07,040 --> 02:33:04,890
larger up until now the Jade head is

3812
02:33:09,200 --> 02:33:07,050
been called the largest Jain artifact

3813
02:33:11,090 --> 02:33:09,210
ever found out of Central America now

3814
02:33:12,980 --> 02:33:11,100
this crystal skull has emerged this Jade

3815
02:33:14,960 --> 02:33:12,990
crystal skull has emerged which is

3816
02:33:17,150 --> 02:33:14,970
bigger than his head and it's going to

3817
02:33:18,950 --> 02:33:17,160
become public so so this is going to be

3818
02:33:22,220 --> 02:33:18,960
the spectacular because they've never

3819
02:33:24,370 --> 02:33:22,230
seen a Jade skull this big no I've heard

3820
02:33:27,140 --> 02:33:24,380
rumors over the years of an obsidian

3821
02:33:32,120 --> 02:33:27,150
Crystal Skull have you ever heard of a

3822
02:33:34,610 --> 02:33:32,130
black obsidian skull yes again there are

3823
02:33:37,310 --> 02:33:34,620
those that say that

3824
02:33:38,750 --> 02:33:37,320
there were obsidian skull that Hitler

3825
02:33:41,060 --> 02:33:38,760
and the Nazis had up sittings called

3826
02:33:43,190 --> 02:33:41,070
obsidian scope could not be used that

3827
02:33:45,020 --> 02:33:43,200
because of the nature of obsidian it

3828
02:33:46,850 --> 02:33:45,030
wouldn't be a very positive thing it

3829
02:33:48,500 --> 02:33:46,860
wouldn't be a positive stone to you so

3830
02:33:50,270 --> 02:33:48,510
can they could have possibly been used

3831
02:33:52,730 --> 02:33:50,280
for negative negative but I've never

3832
02:33:54,950 --> 02:33:52,740
seen one but it's interesting that at

3833
02:33:58,160 --> 02:33:54,960
the idea if you put a quartz crystal

3834
02:34:00,261 --> 02:33:58,170
scope in an obsidian box you cannot

3835
02:34:02,480 --> 02:34:00,271
track it Nick no Serena would use the

3836
02:34:04,100 --> 02:34:02,490
psychically track only scope throughout

3837
02:34:06,350 --> 02:34:04,110
Mexico knew where they were moving he

3838
02:34:08,290 --> 02:34:06,360
used to talk about a rose quartz go with

3839
02:34:10,341 --> 02:34:08,300
a movable jaw which he thinks the

3840
02:34:12,020 --> 02:34:10,351
mitchell-hedges gold was later copied up

3841
02:34:14,180 --> 02:34:12,030
is a modern copy

3842
02:34:16,341 --> 02:34:14,190
he couldn't track it because it was kept

3843
02:34:18,560 --> 02:34:16,351
in an obsidian park so city and blocks

3844
02:34:20,600 --> 02:34:18,570
energy and vibrations it wouldn't be a

3845
02:34:24,250 --> 02:34:20,610
good positive one to use well I could

3846
02:34:26,690 --> 02:34:24,260
see him or wanting one definitely that's

3847
02:34:28,850 --> 02:34:26,700
him with skull has surfaced I've seen a

3848
02:34:30,320 --> 02:34:28,860
picture of it from a picture it looks

3849
02:34:32,450 --> 02:34:30,330
like it could be modern okay that have

3850
02:34:34,761 --> 02:34:32,460
to see have attested it's which

3851
02:34:37,011 --> 02:34:34,771
journalist now has owned it it was found

3852
02:34:39,410 --> 02:34:37,021
in an attic object so obviously from the

3853
02:34:40,880 --> 02:34:39,420
SS discolored obviously had a tag on it

3854
02:34:42,320 --> 02:34:40,890
singing let's get let's go this

3855
02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:42,330
journalist has it he's going to be

3856
02:34:45,290 --> 02:34:44,010
bringing it out but we don't know if

3857
02:34:47,420 --> 02:34:45,300
it's legitimate or not but it was a

3858
02:34:49,820 --> 02:34:47,430
stone that was owned by I mean this

3859
02:34:51,740 --> 02:34:49,830
eventually we now have physical proof of

3860
02:34:53,570 --> 02:34:51,750
the rumors we had for you that the Nazi

3861
02:34:55,070 --> 02:34:53,580
debts go that the entrance had crystal

3862
02:34:57,110 --> 02:34:55,080
skulls with three witches with him we

3863
02:35:00,341 --> 02:34:57,120
now have him let's go first the skulls

3864
02:35:04,430 --> 02:35:00,351
didn't help them win the war happy plea

3865
02:35:06,620 --> 02:35:04,440
or this the spear of Longinus it happens

3866
02:35:08,450 --> 02:35:06,630
to be one of the one of the Maxim's of

3867
02:35:10,400 --> 02:35:08,460
working in magic if you continue to work

3868
02:35:13,520 --> 02:35:10,410
in black magic will eventually bring you

3869
02:35:14,330 --> 02:35:13,530
down well nobody succeeds whoever uses

3870
02:35:16,910 --> 02:35:14,340
these object

3871
02:35:19,250 --> 02:35:16,920
don't open Digga tivity let's hope the

3872
02:35:23,990 --> 02:35:19,260
politicians in Washington understand

3873
02:35:28,011 --> 02:35:24,000
that concept well we don't want him to

3874
02:35:31,700 --> 02:35:28,021
learn the wrong way do we no please just

3875
02:35:37,690 --> 02:35:31,710
learn politicians be careful how you use

3876
02:35:42,370 --> 02:35:40,610
no no we won't you know we don't we

3877
02:35:45,020 --> 02:35:42,380
don't want to see any wieners on there

3878
02:35:46,100 --> 02:35:45,030
that's a rather weenie kind of joke

3879
02:35:49,310 --> 02:35:46,110
isn't it listen

3880
02:35:50,900 --> 02:35:49,320
folks all right Steven mailer tell our

3881
02:35:53,180 --> 02:35:50,910
listeners where they can find more of

3882
02:35:55,430 --> 02:35:53,190
the things that you're about I'm gonna

3883
02:35:59,240 --> 02:35:55,440
be leading a tour to Egypt October 15 to

3884
02:36:01,970 --> 02:35:59,250
29 to go to a website body-mind-spirit

3885
02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:01,980
journeys one word.com check on journeys

3886
02:36:07,400 --> 02:36:04,730
you'll see I'll bio of me and my work

3887
02:36:09,831 --> 02:36:07,410
was doing the crystal the crystal skulls

3888
02:36:12,711 --> 02:36:09,841
again adventures on the MIDI press it's

3889
02:36:14,930 --> 02:36:12,721
the crystal skull astonishing portals to

3890
02:36:17,570 --> 02:36:14,940
man's path with David had to Childress

3891
02:36:19,910 --> 02:36:17,580
and myself Oh Chris David's a friend of

3892
02:36:22,370 --> 02:36:19,920
the show Chris O'Brien where do we find

3893
02:36:24,470 --> 02:36:22,380
more of your stuff well you can always

3894
02:36:27,350 --> 02:36:24,480
find me at the forum dot the para cast

3895
02:36:30,650 --> 02:36:27,360
calm I'm one of the moderators I check

3896
02:36:33,171 --> 02:36:30,660
in daily and also whoa I'm revamping my

3897
02:36:36,171 --> 02:36:33,181
website our strange planet calm which

3898
02:36:38,961 --> 02:36:36,181
hopefully the new updated version will

3899
02:36:42,320 --> 02:36:38,971
be available soon but until then my my

3900
02:36:44,030 --> 02:36:42,330
site is our strange planet calm will

3901
02:36:46,970 --> 02:36:44,040
still be but it might look a little bit

3902
02:36:47,751 --> 02:36:46,980
different prettier more flexible we're

3903
02:36:49,131 --> 02:36:47,761
working on it

3904
02:36:51,051 --> 02:36:49,141
Steven mailer thank you so much for

3905
02:37:02,090 --> 02:36:51,061
joining us this week on the para cast

3906
02:37:06,859 --> 02:37:04,489
this is a calculated presentation of

3907
02:37:09,189 --> 02:37:06,869
making the impossible incorporated tune

3908
02:37:17,110 --> 02:37:09,199
in next week for a new adventure in a

3909
02:37:18,440 --> 02:37:17,530
you